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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 2, 2012 8:40:34 GMT -5
Yop, Here is a very fast site rush deck based on Forum of the Ox and Assassin Stronghold. Quite efficient and easy to play!! 4xSophia's Office 5x Ancient Map 5x Knowledge is Power 5x The Discovery 5x Forced Charity 5x Familly Heirloom 5x Militia Intimidation 2x Mentor's Return 2x Incite Revolt 1x Slaves Trade 5x Forum of the Ox 5x Assassin Stronghold 1x Monteriggioni Hope you'll enjoy it!  |
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Post by Diomedia on Jul 2, 2012 9:02:22 GMT -5
I love Forum of the Ox  I've not tried this variation yet though, only one assassins stronghold. |
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Post by mana on Jul 2, 2012 15:19:06 GMT -5
suggestion: only put in 3 sophias offices! you only want one in your starting hand. ive tried it put and 3 is actually super effective. i would only put in more than this if you have great site synergys like the engineers. i know that means a actual bigger deck BUT as soon as you draw 2 sophias office you give away cardadvantage and you cant thin out the deck anymore.
so conclusion:
its better to have 3 sophias office and 2 knowlegde is power than having 5 sofias office IMO.
(same for heathen follower but here i often play 4 since thats the fasterst way to tutor as much as possible and you likely dont have such a strong alternative like KIP in red)
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 2, 2012 17:26:33 GMT -5
Disagree u want a sophia in start hand, thats allmost impossible with only 3
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Post by mana on Jul 2, 2012 17:46:03 GMT -5
its not like it would hurt if youd get KIP at the beginning. just the risk of getting 2 offices is too high with 5 in it. also with ancient map you reduce your decksize quite a bit and chances are even higher you get it at start anyway. wouldnt that be a fitting job for you to calculate the odds?
if you dont ill try tomorrow.
but my (noob) assumption is that you can see that having 3 SO (in a 45 card sequence due to ancient map) still has a rather high occurence rate while they really seldom pop up in doubles. having 5 SO means you will get them really often in your starting hand but also much more often in doubles which would cost you cardadvantage alot of times. just speaking out of experience right now though (have a deck like that and it works like hell boosting my res like thhat and having cardadvantage). as i said having a KIP wont be any real disadvantage and overall it just would male your deck more stable while still maintaining as much speed as possible.
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 2, 2012 17:46:50 GMT -5
Btw add one monteriggion. U can search it and then chain through ure whole deck. And use the next card is surprise to bring lx in play, for aretty fast kill out of nowhere
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 2, 2012 19:13:15 GMT -5
Good point.
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Post by mana on Jul 3, 2012 1:04:25 GMT -5
okay so i calculated some chances here! my outcomming is the following.... when you play 5 sofias office in 43% of all cases you get a good starting hand with only one maria. also in 17 out of 100 cases you will get bad starting hands. when you play Sofias Office 3 times and 2 KIP you have more startinghands which can be considered good ( 3 ) and less considered to be bad BUT you will get the good o nes slightly rarer. the numbers: 35/100 times you will get good hands (where you also get a sofias O). while in 6/100 times you will get stacked sofias offices. if you also consider it a good hand when sofias office is not in it but KIP is the chances still do increase. (i didnt do it here to show that even that way it is better) so the conclusion out of the numbers for me is that i only get good hands 12 out of 100 times less when played whith 3 sofias office while my chances for getting bad starthands where i get sofia stacks are reduced to only about 1/5 of the chances with 5 SO should i make a thread for it? could add the calculations later on :S did it like that: ((40 choose x) * (3 choose y) * (2 choose z))/(45 choose 7) (here ofc in case of 3 marias and 2 KIP) where y is number of sofias Office x is number of other cards in hand z is number of KIP in hand hope theres no mistake edit: done the rest of themath now. if you also consider 1 KIP or 2 KIP and 0 SO in your startinghand as goodstarthands you can add 18% to those 35% which means you get good starting hands at 53% of the time which even outlevels the 43% of 5 sofias Office |
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 3, 2012 1:30:46 GMT -5
You do realize he has 5 KIP in the deck?
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 3, 2012 1:49:08 GMT -5
In a less fast deck, this would be an interesting choice. I will consider this for my Media/Scholar deck that also plays Offices for ressources only. Here, I really want one in my starting hand, increasing the chances for this to happen is at the cost of getting 2 of them in my hand which is not a bad thing either. Maths are interesting, and it may be a good thing to make a thread about that. |
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Post by mana on Jul 3, 2012 1:57:17 GMT -5
You do realize he has 5 KIP in the deck? oh damn i did it for my own deck  but also calculated for this situation, where you could basically leave out all KIPs 3 SO: good hand: 35% bad hand (= SO stacked): 6% 5 SO: good hand: 42% bad hand (= SO stacked): 17% (i rounded here more lol dont wonder bout the slight diffrences :S ) so still the same situation logically since i didnt count 0 SO and 1 KIP as a good hand for instance before. (in my edit i did) but bronto what this should tell you atleast (hey dont ignore it since that was quite some effort considered it was 4 am and i am pretty bad at english math lol) is that you should definately replace an SO with ancient map. you wont loose much speed but your starthands will get significantly better |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 3, 2012 3:39:08 GMT -5
Ok!
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 10, 2012 14:03:08 GMT -5
OMG I love this deck, i replaced one sfia with monteriggione and crush my enemies Its also quit fast and fun |
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Post by Educatedcollins on Aug 3, 2012 4:02:41 GMT -5
I'm now a fan of this deck after being skeptical,
and gave me some new insight on some cards
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I've not tried this variation yet though, only one assassins stronghold.
