nyxeus
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Post by nyxeus on Aug 6, 2012 16:59:00 GMT -5
I would like to add that these cards completely mislead new players ACR is a strategy game. I personally have seen quite a few new players "improving" their decks by add these card.
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Joek
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Post by Joek on Aug 6, 2012 18:45:13 GMT -5
It is. It's just a unbalanced right now. Check the gtalk; people lurk there.
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Post by mistervader on Aug 6, 2012 20:39:25 GMT -5
I'm still incredulous that people think Sofia's Office is overpowered. I see Surprise 2-for-1's being a problem, but Sofia's Office? I really don't get that one.
Personally, I really wish we had an actual competitive environment before we cry for nerfs. Half the time, it sounds like people whining over Leviathan in M:TG for being too powerful just because they saw 10/10 on the card, but ignored everything else.
And again, nerfs without buffs is like a fighting game turning into Urban Champion. You have to give something to the people who are about to see the value of their cards drop precipitously. These cards *are* investments, be it time or money, and investors don't take too kindly to falling stocks.
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Joek
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Post by Joek on Aug 6, 2012 22:33:13 GMT -5
Neither do I. Sofia's Office is just strong enough.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 8, 2012 2:30:53 GMT -5
Sofia's office on its own doesn't win you any games, so I see no reason to address it...
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Post by Tuism on Aug 8, 2012 2:39:23 GMT -5
Well compare Sofia's office to heathen followers. I smell Savannah Lion
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Post by lurifaxb on Aug 8, 2012 6:53:26 GMT -5
True, Tuism. But at least you can block agents with heathen followers... *insert sarcasm*
I was thinking if Sofia's office should get a +1 cost, but took it back.
Now I just see it as a really good way for scholar to generate income. Like PP is for media.
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Post by falkinator2000 on Aug 8, 2012 7:23:07 GMT -5
What does "I smell savannah lion" mean? I know Savannah lions was a white rare in magic back in the day. I also know that cards of that power level are uncommons today. But that isn't the point, is it?
I think Sofia's Office is really good but not too good (but haven't played with it since I don't own it). Fine power level for an assassin rare. Being able to block IS an advantage - but nowhere near good enough to warrant +1 cost and slower resolution of the ability (possibility of repeated activations is nearly irrelevant).
Heathen follower is not a card you will always include in a faith deck (Sofia's office probably is for a scholar deck, but perhaps not as a 5-of). But it's a card to consider, since the ability is undeniably powerful. For example, it is very hard for a thief rush to get through heathen followers quickly enough.
As for cards winning games by themselves, fortunately we don't have any of those in this game. The closest is probably suleiman or mysterious stranger (I think a deck of 50 mysterious stranger would be very powerful and very boring to play against, but not unbeatable), but even these cards are way better when aided by an income booster or 2.
Black lotus doesn't win any games of MT:G by itself, but is still extremely powerful. The main balancing tool of both MT:G and AC:R is the cost of putting your cards into play. Any card that is efficient at helping you deploy your other cards have potential to be overpowered because it unbalances all other cards in your deck.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 8, 2012 7:28:54 GMT -5
You're not completely wrong - Sofia's is scholar's version of a slower PP with more card advantage (cos you'll never draw it mid game and facepalm unless your opp counters it). But PP has a risk of being draw in mid game and Sofia's doesn't.
I don't think it's particularly OVERPOWERED, but it's subtly much stronger than a lot of other boosters. It's +5 over a period of time for one card and no gold.
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Post by garcia1000 on Aug 8, 2012 23:03:18 GMT -5
Sofia's Office also thins your deck, synergy with Ancient Map, combos with Field Study. I think it is underpriced in the marketplace lol
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Post by The Rancord on Aug 9, 2012 12:18:25 GMT -5
Sofia office is strong, but well forced inheritance is also very strong. Sofia is the risk of drawing more than one, and at the point where u play the 5th the plus 1 isnt that important as the early buildup.
So i would not rate this card really that high. Certainly quit a level away from imba
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martoq
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Post by martoq on Aug 16, 2012 6:44:58 GMT -5
I am reading through this thread and the question I have for everyone is, what is "overpowered"? To me for the most part, it's perspective. Most of the cards people are listing are easily counterable. The problem I think is people want to hug the 50 mark so tightly that they don't want to include proper counters. If people are slamming Piri heavy these days then include an appropriate counter in your deck. To me that holds true for almost all of the cards that have been listed. Just because a card hurts "your" specific deck doesn't necessarily mean it's overpowered.
That being said, I do agree with some, Suleiman jumps to mind as not having a good cost to power to counter ratio (which is how I would personally evaluate every card). The assassin site that gives assassins unblockable is another. My feeling on that one is that unblocking is for the most part a noble trait, to give that to an entire different color branch doesn't seem appropriate especially since most already have threat.
I am still somewhat new to the game so take that for what it's worth.
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Post by The Rancord on Aug 17, 2012 10:01:17 GMT -5
If something beats rock paper and sciccors it is op. In big bang that would be spok
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Post by jemy000 on Aug 17, 2012 21:09:56 GMT -5
I am reading through this thread and the question I have for everyone is, what is "overpowered"? To me for the most part, it's perspective. Most of the cards people are listing are easily counterable. No offense, but this is the wrong perspective. A card is overpowered if it provides value disproportionate to its cost. (Or if it breaks the game like Abbazia, but we won't go into that.) For an easy example we'll look at Yerebatten Cystern. It provides a 2 strength surprise site (worth 3 as per Forgotten Asylum) and a counter (worth 4 as per Court Order). It only costs 5, which is much cheaper than those components, and it saves you a card at the same time! (Fwiw, a card is valued at about 1.5 gold in the game) I know it can't counter an agent, but no reasonable person would suggest that compensates for how much better it is. Forgotten Asylum and Court Order are both strong cards that I see in competitive decks. The Cystern puts them to shame. Speaking as someone that has played many card games and taken college level statistics, there is absolutely never a good reason to go over 50 cards.
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Post by archidion on Aug 18, 2012 22:56:19 GMT -5
After a long leave, I return. Seems like everyone's favorite Suleiman wins the annoyance contest?
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