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Post by mana on May 4, 2012 3:34:34 GMT -5
Hmmmm look at this for trade off: you're trading 9+5 cards in virtual agents and ESR to bridge the gap from 6 cost and drawing a Leo. What if you you replaced those with actual draw power and income? I only think that the 1/1s are next to useless on their own... And either side of the combo fails without the other... But I can see that the consistency is there with the 6 cost Leo when it does go off  I'll also jump in and tweak when I'm done with Chuck Lock  actual draw power can be countered by SCI ESP and thats what i do not want. income would make the deck faster is your argument? well ESR makes it max speed there is since every leo draws me some of my income boosts. i really balanced the income out alot. i feel confident about its ratio atm. the virtuals can always buy time if needed and also give some small income. why would i replace them. btw ESR can also be used to get the enemys fattys into the archive. or when the enemy plays an ezio deck i often played one ESR on ezio just to get another ezio on board. but he could use his ability then. and my mass leos just overrun him |
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Post by mana on May 4, 2012 3:35:22 GMT -5
it will be cool. We need only to reconcile the playtime, it's not so easy to me. I also think that Lanz lose to your deck. Copydeck (ESR or not, it still copydeck ) is strongest in this meta IMHO. well i do have time now  lets write over pms though |
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Post by Tuism on May 4, 2012 4:28:43 GMT -5
Hmmmm look at this for trade off: you're trading 9+5 cards in virtual agents and ESR to bridge the gap from 6 cost and drawing a Leo. What if you you replaced those with actual draw power and income? I only think that the 1/1s are next to useless on their own... And either side of the combo fails without the other... But I can see that the consistency is there with the 6 cost Leo when it does go off I'll also jump in and tweak when I'm done with Chuck Lock actual draw power can be countered by SCI ESP and thats what i do not want. income would make the deck faster is your argument? well ESR makes it max speed there is since every leo draws me some of my income boosts. i really balanced the income out alot. i feel confident about its ratio atm. the virtuals can always buy time if needed and also give some small income. why would i replace them. btw ESR can also be used to get the enemys fattys into the archive. or when the enemy plays an ezio deck i often played one ESR on ezio just to get another ezio on board. but he could use his ability then. and my mass leos just overrun him well I don't mean exclusively In Depth. I know inDepth sucks when everyone's running Espionages - I've stopped running In Depths a LONG time ago. I was thinking maybe Nico Cop or... something else. Haven't given it enough thought yet. I don't understand what you mean by your ESR swapping opponent's Ezio for Ezio - you mean it's good cos he doesn't get to draw another one to drop a kill? Anyhoo I'll give it a whirl later I just wonder whether combo is preferred/needed/better than actual individually useful cards in this situation I don't have the answers, just popping questions |
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Post by thest4lker on May 4, 2012 4:40:47 GMT -5
Mana and I hashed it out on chat for a bit, not really sure what you could change to improve it. One of the things he mentioned is that call to action is also income, and since green/purple has no income/draw not already in deck, if you replace it with income only, you have downgraded...
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Post by dabooo on May 4, 2012 4:49:13 GMT -5
Leonardo Da Copy ?
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Post by mana on May 4, 2012 5:09:00 GMT -5
i am no fan of nico cop at all. the drawpower he gives me is too slow for my taste and for that deck. so is claudia auditore... first play it and then you see how this deck can explode! in average you might say you get at least one leo every day which means a huge drawpower and many threats on the board for your enemy to handle!
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Post by Brontobeuf on May 4, 2012 6:32:20 GMT -5
You need to tell us who won the name challenge. That's much more important than everything else.  i still think, that big income much more better than ESR. if it not ESR+ butcher combo. Yeah, I understand that pov. You are actually playing a looooot of cards to get a slow and vulnerable combo that will not give you the game if it lands. Just a good position. Maybe he's right and you should work on the ressources boost instead of ESR. |
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Post by Tuism on May 4, 2012 6:36:23 GMT -5
You need to tell us who won the name challenge. That's much more important than everything else. i still think, that big income much more better than ESR. if it not ESR+ butcher combo. Yeah, I understand that pov. You are actually playing a looooot of cards to get a slow and vulnerable combo that will not give you the game if it lands. Just a good position. Maybe he's right and you should work on the ressources boost instead of ESR. That's my point exactly. I get that the combo *IS* cool, but you might be able to arrive at that same result without a combo and more reliably so if you tweak resource/draw. I tried the deck a few games, and out of 5, I only managed to get it started in 1 game. I'm more a fan of consistency, even in combos (Not consistency of getting the combo but consistency of the deck not dying because it only has parts of a combo) |
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Post by gamemaestro on May 4, 2012 8:13:51 GMT -5
I don't have the cards to build this deck but I think the concept could work quite well. It will overrun quite a few different deck types due to the combo of draw power and large agents.
I like Bronto's name and would just take it one step further to: Attack of the DaVinci Clones.
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Post by mana on May 4, 2012 8:47:18 GMT -5
i let the namechallenge run a bit longer ^^ but i do alrdy have a fav strange that you only got that combo out once 0.o i get it in 80% of my games really early. |
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Post by Tuism on May 4, 2012 9:17:11 GMT -5
i let the namechallenge run a bit longer ^^ but i do alrdy have a fav strange that you only got that combo out once 0.o i get it in 80% of my games really early. While I don't think there's any truth in my anecdotal truth, I think the possibility of the combo not coming out means I'd rather go for a less combo-y approach, it's more a personal preference than a perfect approach, I think even my combo decks tend to run more consistently than explosively. |
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Post by Ringel on May 4, 2012 13:47:20 GMT -5
Names: Leo Gemini
Da Vinci Engine
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Post by thest4lker on May 4, 2012 23:52:34 GMT -5
The incredible automated device for the replication of Leonardo  |
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Post by mana on May 6, 2012 3:36:46 GMT -5
i let the namechallenge run a bit longer ^^ but i do alrdy have a fav strange that you only got that combo out once 0.o i get it in 80% of my games really early. While I don't think there's any truth in my anecdotal truth, I think the possibility of the combo not coming out means I'd rather go for a less combo-y approach, it's more a personal preference than a perfect approach, I think even my combo decks tend to run more consistently than explosively. well this deck is consistent despite "the combo" if you really wanna call it that way. it is no finisher combo but a combo to be able to get a good start. if it doesnt fire off because it gets countered you dont really care much about it. if you dont have it in your opening hand you will have other stuff to play. you are not reliant on this combo. it just gives you potential speed. as soon as you get out your first leo or your opp his first biggie you can copy the hell out of him |
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Post by Tuism on May 6, 2012 4:46:21 GMT -5
Ooooh I got a new name: the Prestige - if you've watched the movie you'll know what I'm taking about and maybe get a shiver down your back |
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