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Post by Tuism on Jan 7, 2012 2:33:19 GMT -5
That FIERCE agents do damage WHEN THEY'RE BLOCKING TOO?? Crazy. Did you know Answered Prayers can discard a card that you've already played? (probably a bug) Did you know SAFE protects against a minus -0/-X action? (I think, can someone confirm or deny?) Let's Post more obscure things we've discovered about the game  |
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 7, 2012 2:35:38 GMT -5
That FIERCE agents do damage WHEN THEY'RE BLOCKING TOO?? Crazy. Did you know Answered Prayers can discard a card that you've already played? (probably a bug) Did you know SAFE protects against a minus -0/-X action? (I think, can someone confirm or deny?) 1. Yes. 2. Hence be very careful when you play. I know why this happens. It has got to do with lag. Anyone needs me to explain this? It's not a bug. 3. Not sure about this. What does SAFE protect exactly? |
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Post by Tuism on Jan 7, 2012 2:40:10 GMT -5
The game help says "The next Damage or Neutralisation is prevented". I'm guessing when things go into 0 health it counts as normal damage. And nah it's not about lag - I've played stuff between the resolution of unanswered prayers and them taking forever picking a card and my card disappearing from off the table... So technically it's not lag. At least give my resource back, if you're going to allow that. Right? It should be removed from the carousel, which I'm guessing they don't have provision for in the code (yet)  Anyhoo let's post more things you think is pretty obscure information to know about the game here |
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 7, 2012 5:10:16 GMT -5
hmm...
Let me see.... Not sure if I am right.
Ok, let say you and I play a game. I cast unanswered prayers. It takes half a day to resolve ON my screen.
When it's time to select a card on my screen, I select a card in your hand to discard.
On your screen you do not see this (yet).
So if you try to cast the same spell, on your screen, you still can because the 'information' of 'selected discard card' (the same card) has not reached you yet.
So you cast the card using resources; a micro-second later, you see the card being unresolved and goes into the archive.
You are right: to be fair: resources should be returned to you.
I will cite another example; to be faster in-game, (I am sure many of us already use this trick), I place my forced inheritance on the 'Action/Surpirise' red button as the gold timer moves towards '2'.
If my opponent does the same thing, I will see that mine will resolve first and I think to myself, "Hahah! I am smarter and I am faster than my opponent!"
That is not true...lol. Essentially, each players' screen is slighter different from each others. On our own screen, our actions/surprises will always resolve a micro-second faster.
Hence; do not even try to squeeze in the Pre-emptive strike at the last second; just use court order! (Yes, happens to me all the time!)
Am I making sense?
That said, when I tutor for Lanz or Cesare using the respective tutor cards, sometimes I get nothing at all!
Can someone help?
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Post by Tuism on Jan 7, 2012 5:52:41 GMT -5
I don't think the lag between players are anything as big as you're making it out to be - the game is real-time by nature, so they keep it pretty synced up. That's why when you have a bad connection it stutters so much - if it were more lenient, it would have let players go on without much of a hitch even if there's a noticeable lag. And I wasn't talking about just played cards - I'm talking about my agent being half resolved just disappearing out of thin air have you browsed someone's hand for a while? The carousel doesn't change even if they played cards. Bug. Or a flaw |
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Post by Diomedia on Jan 7, 2012 6:44:45 GMT -5
With regards 'Safe' ill give you an example.
Opponent plays Il Carnifice. I block with a Beguiling Courtesan, I then play Evasive Manouvers on the Courtesan, both agents return to Hq exhausted, the next day I block again and my courtesan is destroyed.
For 3 total cost I've stopped the opponent from winning the game and given myself 2 extra days of recovery time.
Also this would work against a Calling all Stand ins fattie as Beguiling Courtesan has cunning too, stopping fierce damage. A very useful combo.
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Post by x D i N N e R x on Jan 7, 2012 13:17:20 GMT -5
Being SAFE does not stop the opponent from lowering your power. I had a Cesare Borgia that was 9/9 because of a Borgia Tower and was SAFE from a Dante Moro. Although it was basically unkillable, that did not stop the opponent from lowering it's power to 0 with Sudden Exhaustion. I would imagine the best defense against a SAFE deck is either countering the cards that allow the deck to thrive or to whittle the SAFE cards power down with actions. They would still be able to block, however.
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Post by X D i N N e R x on Jan 7, 2012 13:19:37 GMT -5
Now a site deck with a bunch of counters and actions that lower agents' power... That would be a SAFE deck killer.
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Post by The Rancord on Jan 7, 2012 13:30:58 GMT -5
Ot you could use change of plans. youc an still rob cards even if they are safe |
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Post by xdinnerx on Jan 7, 2012 14:33:39 GMT -5
Very true. Good thinking.
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Post by crazygambit on Jan 8, 2012 0:43:46 GMT -5
They can also be erased, so the blue agent removal that costs 5 works (can't remember the name)
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Post by Tuism on Jan 8, 2012 1:38:00 GMT -5
Under arrest. It's fast becoming one of my most respected cards... Too many key agents in this environment, plus it counters discard strategies by not sending it to archive to be dug up. Blue has everything |
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Post by The Rancord on Jan 8, 2012 5:31:10 GMT -5
I rather use sudden exhaust, sicne it cant be countered. I replaced my under arrest for them.
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Post by Tuism on Jan 8, 2012 5:57:07 GMT -5
I rather use sudden exhaust, sicne it cant be countered. I replaced my under arrest for them. Yeah I'm using sudden exhaust a lot more now. But they don't work against Citizens, Lanz, Dante (key card in many decks), Americo, Marco, etc... But I do agree, against most beefies (which is what usually comes storming to win games you should go sudden exhaust. Much cheaper too. |
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Post by The Rancord on Jan 8, 2012 6:22:54 GMT -5
I doubt u still have an under arrest in ure ahnd when he launches citizen.
Anyway my calculations are more on the odds to be useful. Lanz is slow and I can slow him more with sudden exhaust. Under Arrest can be countered, while Sudden exhaust cannot. Danze morro does nothing by itself, so I can just sudden exhaust the agent he wants to safe. Also I do not risk being late. I can erase cesare, but he probably allready scores 5.
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