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Post by kineahora on May 23, 2012 0:52:00 GMT -5
A few of us have noticed a certain person cornering the market on a select group of very desirable cards (possibly by having bought a decent amount of animus credits and then buying up all copies of the best cards over several days) and reoffering them for sale at around 3000. He continues to offer to buy at 2600 and sell at 2900-3000. His inventory of some of these cards is at least 10--I counted.
A very simple to implement (I think) solution to restore proper market dynamics:
Make it so that a player MAY NOT buy at auction, NOR ACCEPT a sell offer for a given memory by another player if (s)he already possesses, say, 6+ copies of that memory. That would stop this flat.
It would of course still be possible to acquire 6+ copies of any memory by buying booster packs.
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Post by mana on May 23, 2012 1:39:21 GMT -5
why you care? he will end up with far too much cards he wont be able to sell anymore as soon as his credits run out. i dont think it will work out long for him. and if it does hes been doing a good job and made a lot of effort to earn some credits. my prediction is that prices will drop and he wont be able to hold his lock
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Post by gamemaestro on May 23, 2012 8:02:57 GMT -5
I'm wondering what his initial source of credits was. He either spent a lot of money or took advantage of a bug a while back.
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Post by Tuism on May 23, 2012 11:59:31 GMT -5
I really don't care if anyone amassed a whole lot of cards by spending tons. This ain't even convertible to real money.
Unless there's a black market selling recollection accounts I don't know of. Even then, I can't imagine what kind of poor pittance they'd be getting for their trouble.
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Post by gamemaestro on May 23, 2012 15:57:56 GMT -5
It impacts those of use still trying to get cards. The person is pricing me out of cards I still need to buy.
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Post by Tuism on May 23, 2012 16:26:59 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that a single dude has the corner on the entire market. And if he did spend like $50 to corner one or two cards, what's really the point? For that person, that is.
Even then it is only temporary. The market is always refreshing itself, and when no one will buy them at the price he wants to sell, prices will drop.
Of course we all want instant gratification... But that's part of the free market being, well, free.
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Post by sidos on May 23, 2012 16:30:46 GMT -5
At first I agree with Mana, but if he has an almost "infinite" animus credits because the bug in the first market day he really could hurt the market experience.
If this is the case, the devs certainly will do something about, banning him or changing the market rules.
I was trying to complete my crime cards this week, Forced Charity is out of my list until this is fixed.
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Post by Tuism on May 23, 2012 16:41:05 GMT -5
But forced charity has always been high priced. I don't think even in the early days of the market did I get it for less than 2800. Have you set offers to buy? If its not insanely cheap like 2000, some people will be willing to sell simply because other people like you think the current asking price is too high and no one is buying. Let's say you put an offer of 2500 to buy out, would people rather put it out at 2600 to sell if no one is buying, or sell it at 2500?
And honestly, if people ARE buying at 3k, which is what I remember the price was quite a while ago when I was bargaining for cards, well, then that's what it's supposed to go for.
I think so, anyway. There are achievements in the game for having 50 of a single card, so it's meant to be that way. I don't think artificially driving down the price of cards is something good for the community anyway... Considering that we Recollection players get plenty for free already.
My 2c.
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Post by Tuism on May 23, 2012 16:46:10 GMT -5
At first I agree with Mana, but if he has an almost "infinite" animus credits because the bug in the first market day he really could hurt the market experience. If this is the case, the devs certainly will do something about, banning him or changing the market rules. I was trying to complete my crime cards this week, Forced Charity is out of my list until this is fixed. There was no bug when the market opened. There was only a lot of senseless buying and selling, which is the same case at the start of any market when price is still an unknown. Look at facebook's share price at listing (right now) for example, no one knows what to expect it to be actually worth later. There was the bug that gave extra credits for a while, but I don't think that got abused as it first looked bad for players and Ubi did pick up on it and shut it down. And if people did abuse it they'd easily have more credits than they need to buy p a whole pile of stuff. Just from the daily 500 I have more than 40000 credits. Nevermind the credits from random selling. It's not that difficult to "corner the market" on some cards, temporarily. I just don't see the benefit to do so, at all. |
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Post by sidos on May 23, 2012 17:46:38 GMT -5
The bug that I said is the credit charging in the market day, altough it was fast fixed, it is still possible for a dude made millions of credits using it. But, thinking more about, if this guy have millions of credits it is so pointless doing this that is hard to believe that this is the case.
About the prices I disagree with you Tuism. After market goes stabilize the cost of FC is around 2k, less than this most of the time.
Pay 3k is not an absurd, is just 2 more days of free playing credits, but I belive that this manipulation of the market is not healthy for the game, and I'll not buying from him, even if I decide to buy FC for 3K.
I belive that this "lock" will be broken soon or later.
An interesting new rule that could be implemented to the market is that a player can't put a buy and a sell offer of the same card at same time. Use the market to gaing credits is something that is not interesting for Ubisoft, this "fix" makes more difficult to do it.
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Post by gamemaestro on May 23, 2012 20:11:43 GMT -5
Tuism - he has cornered most of the most expensive cards. For example, he had more than 30k credits worth of bids outstanding at once for PP. He was also selling 12 PPs at the same time. That's 50-60k cress in that one card. He was doing similar things in sci esp, preemptive etc. Either he abused the credit bug or he dropped a lot more than $50 into the game.
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Post by kineahora on May 24, 2012 2:08:04 GMT -5
Just from the daily 500 I have more than 40000 credits. Nevermind the credits from random selling. It's not that difficult to "corner the market" on some cards, temporarily. I just don't see the benefit to do so, at all. Sorry Steve I don't agree. Your 40,000 credits are great. He has at least 10 each of Pre strike, Sci espionage, Forced charity, political patronage, and now he's working on divine intervention. No idea what else. At current prices, that's about 150,000 credits for him. Don't think he got them by playing. I doubt the devs will take action--current state is to their advantage in monetizing the game (if I were a game developer, I would find ways of encouraging behaviour by users that causes other users to spend money). One guy buys a ton of animus credits and seizes up the market--now if other people want cards, they have to buy animus credits too--good for the devs. |
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Post by Blind_Angel_(Juelette) on May 24, 2012 2:40:28 GMT -5
he simply can earn them on market. the profit for those cards now about 300 credits. He starts with 50-100 profit. if he spended a lot of time he could earned a lot of money.
Even if he started with buying animus credits, 100 000 credits not so big, if he bought credits on discount week.
I still thinking he earned all his credits on market. Anyone can spent all his time to do the same, but who wants ? The schoolboys may be ?
My time cost a lot to spend it on the game. I don't have enough time even to earn my 500 credits per day. but i have all cards i need.
The simple advise to people how envy him is go to real work, earn real money, and then buy anything you want in the game.
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Post by Tuism on May 24, 2012 4:28:58 GMT -5
Well yeah blind angel hit it on the nail for me. I again really don't see what the point of that would be. If he worked the market that hard, then he's earned it. It's not even real money man!
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Post by jeremyat on May 24, 2012 12:13:08 GMT -5
Here's how I look at it...if he's purchasing all of the coveted rares, that means that you can sell the same rares in your possession at inflated prices. Either someone will pay it or he will buy it to make sure you don't undercut him. You can then use the funds from the sale of one card to purchase more packs, and then you can sell those cards. That's pretty much how I built up my collection--you get up to five copies of each common and uncommon and you can sell any more that you get on the market. Some of them--in-depth analysis, knowledge is power, clothes make the man, antonio--go for 200-400 credits on a regular basis. Plentiful crop also usually drops for about 100 credits, and most of the crime commons go for 20-30 credits. With the 500 credits a day that you receive, you can usually buy one assassin pack a day. It takes a while, but you can eventually get a very substantial collection. It's also more fun than grinding for six days to get the 3000 credits to buy a preemptive strike.
I don't like the fact that someone can monopolize the market, but that's going to be the danger in having a fluctuating-price market (as opposed to, say, the fixed-price market of Shadow Era).
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