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Post by lurifaxb on Jun 29, 2012 0:50:38 GMT -5
Dear devs. I have a suggestion.
Make Maria Thorpes text say:
If discarded put into HQ.
Thus removing the discards effect. This will not remove the killer combos that are currently making the meta game broken and not fun, but make a much needed nerf. Specifically the abbazia di San merucurial combo will be made less effective, but still useful.
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Post by kineahora on Jun 30, 2012 2:24:08 GMT -5
Dear devs. I have a suggestion. Make Maria Thorpes text say: If discarded put into HQ. Thus removing the discards effect. This will not remove the killer combos that are currently making the meta game broken and not fun, but make a much needed nerf. Specifically the abbazia di San merucurial combo will be made less effective, but still useful. If you want to rebalance the combo (which I think needs doing), I don't think Maria Thorpe needs nerfing. All that has to be done is to change slightly the mechanic of ABBAZIA: Replace: !<2>discard a agent: Choose an Agent in the Archive. Put it in your hand. With: !<2>Select an agent in the Archive, discard an agent. [This also improves grammar  ] Have it NOT add the selected agent to your hand until AFTER you discard. That would break the loop. You could still make the loop with TWO Marias, or have an alternating cycle with a random agent and Maria. The former is less likely to occur (though it can be tutored), and the latter is slower and less effective. |
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Post by Tuism on Jun 30, 2012 4:33:24 GMT -5
Having two Marias running the loop is still broken in my opinion. Especially since Maria is tutorable.
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Post by lurifaxb on Jun 30, 2012 6:14:36 GMT -5
Not a bad point, however, I agree with Tuism. There are more ways than abbazia to get the loop going - like Maria Aditore. Abbazia and Maria was never used before so they shouldn't be nerfed.
Just using her ability for free by discarding, is too easy and too powerful. There are so many ways of getting her back. If you had to deploy her first, then it gets a lot harder to pull off a loop.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jun 30, 2012 7:47:02 GMT -5
No need to nerf everything. What we *need* is some visibility in this combo, so the opponent can see what's going on. That's what we need.
A nerf is not something we should ask that easily.
I think the Abbazia shouldn't be able to target the card it just discarded, that would be really enouh for me, and it may even be not WAI right now as it is.
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Post by lurifaxb on Jun 30, 2012 8:34:43 GMT -5
Then two maria's would do the same Brontobeuf.
I still see Maria's text as the problem. Not the cards used for the combo.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jun 30, 2012 10:44:04 GMT -5
Well I'm not sure the combo would get the same power if 2 Marias are needed instead of one. :]
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Post by ABXantos on Jun 30, 2012 11:07:31 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to agree with Bronto. Getting both Marias in your hand plus setting up the combo with Abbazia takes too much time.
And also, if we are talking about nerfs, all you really need to do is just make Maria untutorable by removing her Mercenary status.
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Post by lurifaxb on Jun 30, 2012 12:02:38 GMT -5
Doing both things you suggest is a good actually. If you need 2 marias and cant tutor her, then it gets harder to pull of.
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Post by aman8912 on Jun 30, 2012 15:01:21 GMT -5
No need to nerf everything. What we *need* is some visibility in this combo, so the opponent can see what's going on. That's what we need. A nerf is not something we should ask that easily. I think the Abbazia shouldn't be able to target the card it just discarded, that would be really enouh for me, and it may even be not WAI right now as it is. this |
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Post by thest4lker on Jul 1, 2012 10:53:21 GMT -5
I haven't been playing that much lately (not even get my 500 every day right now). But when i played against this i dropped one early PYP to steal a Maria, launched it after his abbazzia was launched. He did manage to get one or two Maria out, but I made a mockery of the loop. Especially as i immediately copied my Maria, and dropped another PYP to get an abbazzia of my own. I had planned on running my own loop, but didnt actually even do it, copy was more than enough. Actually an incredibly easy victory... Maybe it was lucky draw, maybe my opponent didn't play well, maybe my deck was just perfectly suited... Or maybe it doesn't need a nerf...
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Post by mistervader on Jul 1, 2012 13:45:06 GMT -5
Seriously? Nerfs? Again?
We pay so much to have optimal decks only to see them nerfed, thereby nullifying our investments, and this is a good thing? We don't even have tournament data to prove these cards are in any way broken, and we keep asking for nerf hammers until we're left with nothing but a bunch of mediocre cards.
Ugh. I would pass on nerfing cards, thank you very much. If something is powerful, I will either deal with it, or use it myself. I see no point in playing with gimped cards.
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Post by Tuism on Jul 1, 2012 14:12:22 GMT -5
I actually would rather prefer a bunch of mediocre cards than everyone ending up playing the same 5 cards  To each their own, let's see what the devs say |
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Post by mana on Jul 1, 2012 16:23:37 GMT -5
i agree with tu. better to have all cards balanced out. however i would not dare to say anything is overpowered right now. no real meta formed yet and we dont have competitive structures as vader said. there are several ways to deal with the combo.
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 2, 2012 0:53:22 GMT -5
I didnt realize its surprise. Btw 2 marias is a big risk against the red 0 cost boost. I have met 2 deck so far with the combo, wich is not really ,uch. I played it 2 times so far, but I find it rather boring. Im pretty sure it turns out well. Im also thinking, that the effect of abbazzi is not meant to target the same agent again. Its kinda a replace something with something else effect, where targeting same thing wasnt planned, but so far didnt matter. |
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