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Post by Tuism on Jul 12, 2012 0:22:28 GMT -5
I can not think of any reason to ever use Plentiful Crop anymore, the card is completely useless now. Lassitude doesn't seem to be that effective any more. The agents that do get played are usually there to support sites, or they get power bonuses quickly. I play a lot of discard and it now seems to have a lot more disadvantages but not just because you obviously don't want to discard an opponents 11 cost card. Holy Day can take care of that but the problem is you can get a decent starting hand that doesn't have Holy Day in it, but that's a big risk to take. You almost always have to swap starting hands if you don't get it. Even if you do, it could be a bad opening hand with Holy Day. Discard is generally a slower strategy and now you can boost your income so quickly it's easier for the opponent to get their cards in play. It would be nice if there were some surprise discards, or get some cheaper cost ones that erase highest cost card. Well lassitude is only as useful as the field is full of attacking agents, and there are a couple of agent type decks still going. It can kill a nicodeck, it can kill a noble deck (assuming its not countered). Militant decks, thieves and Cyril eraser decks tend to run away with the boosting. But I haven't written off lassitude yet, I just don't play defensively anymore Discard is an obvious one. I just find it to be not overpowered - not dead. It's as risky as running a full counter deck running into a full surprise deck. I used to have a semi successful malfetto stranger discard lock deck, now i don't use it anymore. See I don't really feel that strategies should be unbeatable, like discard was bordering on previously. I've still been building discard decks that are less pure discard and more useful at other things. Losing faith is a fantastic card if you get it out.ma surprise discard can be interesting though... But you do have the surprise creators for that Man it's a tough one.
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Post by Diomedia on Jul 12, 2012 16:16:11 GMT -5
JUAN BORGIA!!!!
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Post by ironcladtrash on Jul 13, 2012 11:37:38 GMT -5
Tuism I will just reply instead of quoting to keep the post smaller. I am ready to write Lassitude off after playing a lot of it recently. Your post kind of emphasizes why. I will be conservative and say 60% of the decks are I play are site based. Noble decks have a lot of boosters too, like Borgia Tower which leaves pretty much just a Nicco deck that it can be helpful with. I think you are better off just playing an agent destroy card instead, even if it’s just for a single target. For me I didn’t think discard was an obvious one that was underpowered. I didn’t truly realize how bad it was that you are limited with your starting hand versus almost any other strategy till I started playing with the RV cards. It never seems like a good idea to rely on getting one card in your starting hand. I am not ready to call discard dead; I think it’s still viable, just really underpowered. It’s interesting to me that you thought it was bordering on being unbeatable before. I never thought it was overpowered before. Myself and others were always complaining about counters before. However in hindsight I can see how it might have been considered that since I always had better luck using discard vs any other strategy before.
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 13, 2012 11:43:18 GMT -5
My discard deck has a higher win percentage then my counter deck though. discard is super strong, just u need to be smart. Also most decks dont pack in 11 cost cards, and maria u dont care in a discard deck, cause the early discards mean u have no important field card.
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Post by Ringel on Jul 13, 2012 11:48:40 GMT -5
I see discard all the time. It is hardly under-utilized.
What I don't see any more is pure discard stall. I think some people must be thankful for that.
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Post by Tuism on Jul 13, 2012 11:53:48 GMT -5
pure discard isn't viable in this meta cos of course due to the 11 costs - and even if you were to brave the possibility of running up against incite revolt or odai or mentor's return, well, pure discard decks seldom have board-clearing besides the really expensive reboot these days. Well, rather, they would rather plough it back into a universal discard than a limited target removal. And since discard aims for long games, anything getting past the discard wall will probably eff you up royally That said, I've been effed up by a few losing faith these days That's one evil mofo card. But a non-combo-reliant deck with synergies can still bypass that fairly easily by getting cards down. Income boost is at an all-time high right now so speed to table has picked up.
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Post by ironcladtrash on Jul 13, 2012 12:00:44 GMT -5
I was in the pure discard camp before and you guys are right. I just have to go back and rethink my strategy to build my discard decks. The Rancord I run into a lot of 11 cost cards in decks, but I guess that's just the randomness of match making. We must be evening out the odds if I run into it a lot and you don't. Sorry for the thread jack, I can’t really think of any other underpowered cards that weren’t previously.
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Post by demkon on Jul 16, 2012 8:29:31 GMT -5
I still love to play discard, I think it has yet became stronger now. Personally I don't care if I get a good starting hand without holy day in it, I just take the risk and play it. Most of the time it works anyway.
If you fear the 11 cost cards, you can also think about using the card that let you select a memory to erase in the opponent's hand for 2.
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