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Post by Diomedia on Jul 16, 2012 13:29:41 GMT -5
Wasn't it just that, counters are fine , but Sueliman , where he fits in on the income curve, 5 cost suprise , plus he's 2/2 , so effectively that can be your only threat if you wish, it makes it easier to just play pure counter now. You can build a deck to negate him, but , you need to get an ability down that makes your other cards suprises, (and there are no suprise cards that give other cards suprise other than Ezio m) before the opp gets 2 gold, so you need to include and draw a PP just to be able to beat a pure counter deck.
Now that suprises resolve instantly , it makes the strategy a bit stronger.
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Post by mistervader on Jul 17, 2012 0:42:00 GMT -5
I understand buffs and nerfs at this point ever since I looked at Assassin's more like Street Fighter than a CCG. But that's the thing... Buffs. Nerfs galore results in a less interesting game without buffs to accompany them. If manpower is the problem for Ubi, then how about a playtester program for the devoted players to test out buffs and nerfs in the interest of balancing the game without turning it into a game of nerfing every dominant strategy until the game becomes boring and generic?
Long story short: nerf Suleiman and the like for being uncounterable and resulting in swingy board advantage, if needed be, but for pete's sake, let's buff some fringe things, too.
If all Street Fighter IV did was to nerf the top character, the next top character in the following iteration will then be nerfed for the next one. Keep this going, you end up with Urban Champion: perfectly balanced, but totallly meh. I like a bit of power in my gameplay, especially since I know that everyone I play against, given ample time, has access to that kind of power, too.
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Post by Tuism on Jul 17, 2012 2:51:38 GMT -5
It's. It power that's the problem, but the distribution of power. If everyone plays Ryu in SF and no one could beat Ryu then who's gonna bother with the 24 characters? Same with the cards we have here.
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Post by ericluah on Jul 17, 2012 3:24:54 GMT -5
Edit posting in diff thread
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Jul 17, 2012 5:39:05 GMT -5
It's. It power that's the problem, but the distribution of power. Excellent point! Suleiman is so annoying because he can be played too early in the game. Il Carnefice is overpowered as well, but as he can only be played later in the game he doesn't break it. There should always be the trade-off between risk and reward. Right now there is no risk in including Suleiman in your deck and the reward is always very satisfying.
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Post by mistervader on Jul 17, 2012 11:16:28 GMT -5
It's. It power that's the problem, but the distribution of power. Excellent point! Suleiman is so annoying because he can be played too early in the game. Il Carnefice is overpowered as well, but as he can only be played later in the game he doesn't break it. There should always be the trade-off between risk and reward. Right now there is no risk in including Suleiman in your deck and the reward is always very satisfying. Yeah. I think there are very few who would conceivably say with a straight face that Suleiman isn't problematic, at the least. Do the devs keep a watchlist of problem cards? I think making a watchlist public would help the development of both game balance and market economics for the game.
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Post by TemplarTyler on Jul 17, 2012 13:55:53 GMT -5
Aye Sueiman is annoying... Whats worse, is that as soon as you get enough income to take him out out of the game (Losing Faith for example) he can just be played to knock that straight out
Aye, Il Carnifice is overpowered... Dunno if any of you have come across the Media deck that basically just uses 1/1 virtual militant then just 'swap agent for agent in sequence' card to bring Il Carnifice in... That is basically getting him at such a cheap, cheap price... clever game plan... but maybe to easy to perform?
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 17, 2012 14:06:39 GMT -5
Hard to perform, and deck does nothing if picked apart.
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Post by TemplarTyler on Jul 17, 2012 14:13:43 GMT -5
Aye, I noticed that as soon as i am able to archive Il carnefice people end up leaving The first person I saw to perform the deck has the best I have seen (I cannot remember the name of the player... but he is the one that is difficult to beat... others are hard to beat, and then their are those with poor copies of the deck, and yeah, it is kinda easier to bring to ground. So yeah good point, lol
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