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Post by Tuism on Jul 14, 2012 0:34:12 GMT -5
In the current meta I mean. I feel like I have very little in the way of viable options, I have to pack all the staples where applicable: Piri + patronage Stronghold Devoted scholar + incite revolt Nico copernicus + odai (+ selling dreams + discovery) Abbazia + Maria (but I would never really) Den defense Suleiman + all his counter friends who all amount to the same thing really + Cesare Yerebaten Cistern + the 10 cost counter site + funeral pyre + uncounterable Silvio (bugged + imba) Forced charity + Maria + a couple utility thieves who are hopefully not gonna get countered until you can pay for Ezio Etc etc The point is that I feel that there are so many "must have" cards/combo cos of their power that I'm building the same decks over and over again  Am I being silly? |
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Post by Tuism on Jul 14, 2012 1:04:25 GMT -5
To further the point, there's very little in the way of "surprises" - not the card type but getting in a game and not knowing what your opponent is gonna play.
By order? Suleiman. Source of all life? Yerebatan. Pp? Piri. And nico and odai. If you're outcountering, you win. No matter the color you're playing. Militants? They're all the same. Thieves? Hope for gold and ezio mentor. San gimignano? Assassin's library, with intimidation.
I'm too lazy to list stuff, but i see that as soon as an opponent runs out of counters or he sees you're "outsurprising" him, the game's gone.
It's turned into a game of counters for everyone!!!
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 14, 2012 3:11:09 GMT -5
Force yourself to play cards you never play. I do that all the time, it's very good to find new synergies.
Actually, one of the strongest and simple combo that came with Revelation is out of your list. Funny. :]
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Post by ruggeder on Jul 14, 2012 3:28:12 GMT -5
I hope I didn't cause this. On a side note, my favorite deck, that usually wins doesn't have any of those combos in it. I think it's just a case of playing enough to see what can work.
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Post by Tuism on Jul 14, 2012 3:43:03 GMT -5
Ok my list is incomplete  but I think my frustration comes with the fact that it's all combos or counters, key cards or rush, and I'm seeing all the same ones Eraser combo? Nevermind I'll explore |
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 14, 2012 9:46:20 GMT -5
I lost yesterday to next site is surprise/st angelo and surprise agents. This was kinda frustrating  u could try devout schooler+incite+merchants guild The eraser guy and the 4 cost card to erase cards from deck along with PP and magnetic+discard Also noble decks with selim and PP win me alot of games atm, especially against counter or flash flood. Dont forget that engeneers workshop is pretty nice in meta, because u play it and then get ure winner site later without any risk. Atm im working on a thief variant with smoke signals. Also I posted the AI decks, there are some ideas you could take from there. |
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Post by Tuism on Jul 14, 2012 11:20:12 GMT -5
I lost yesterday to next site is surprise/st angelo and surprise agents. This was kinda frustrating u could try devout schooler+incite+merchants guild The eraser guy and the 4 cost card to erase cards from deck along with PP and magnetic+discard Also noble decks with selim and PP win me alot of games atm, especially against counter or flash flood. Dont forget that engeneers workshop is pretty nice in meta, because u play it and then get ure winner site later without any risk. Atm im working on a thief variant with smoke signals. Also I posted the AI decks, there are some ideas you could take from there. Heh Did the guild + incite build + workshop build, first with Leo's workshop then decided not worth it. Don't like that its a slow combo with little defense. Haven't touched any Cyril eraser combos yet, it just doesn't agree with me. Will give it a shot. Noble and PP I've also had one for a while, the selim angle is interesting but it still wants Suleiman... Will also give it a shot tho. Thief with Ezio mentor is fun but unreliable. I guess I just have counter burnout |
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Post by kyleess on Jul 14, 2012 13:25:19 GMT -5
I have a Cyril eraser deck, but an obvious guy to put in there is the imperial gardener and if he is on the field, nothing works right. Agents neutralizing themselves, NOOS, game crashes if he gets killed blocking.
A good quarter of my games with him in the deck don't even finish due to crashes.
I'm half a mind to stock up on that card though because, once they fix the bugs, I think it will be a very useful strategy and thus, I the 120-150 he is currently going for could shoot way up. Cyril, too.
Also, the gardener screws up the infinite Maria loop :-)
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Post by kyleess on Jul 14, 2012 13:29:29 GMT -5
Oh, yeah. Tuism. I have been having some good success using PP and/or militia intimidation to get a Sofia in the headquarters early. It makes a mess of the site based decks that don't have an agent removal strategy. And there are lots of those right now.
Once you've nullified their sites, it opens up a lot of other stuff to experiment with.
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Post by rl on Jul 14, 2012 14:46:51 GMT -5
agreed my deck building has been lacking in this meta, partially because I haven't had the time and I just find it harder
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 14, 2012 19:29:30 GMT -5
The combo I was talking about is: Sofia's Office + Ottoman gunman. I don'tsee it played that often but it is perfect. It's cheap, incredibly fast, you can put it in all your scholar decks as your ressource boosters (it's even better in non-sites based decks...) and it will give you wins against a lot of decks just by itself. Specially vs anti-game decks like discard or counters. It's one of the major synergy of my current main deck. Try it! |
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Post by Ringel on Jul 14, 2012 21:11:04 GMT -5
Keep in mind you had months in Recollections before players even had market access. It takes time to learn the new card thoroughly. (Except for Bronto. He's the real man.)
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Post by rl on Jul 14, 2012 21:22:00 GMT -5
I've learnt that its not my deck building that has been lacking but it has been the overpowered counter decks that have been the problem, these decks all look almost the same with cistern, suliman, and the 10 cost blue and red erase and counter sites. these decks are mindless and take almost no skill to play, so i just quit out against them you can tell early obviously when they play order of the king and the site tutor card. I prefer fighting it out with two decks trying to play their game instead of one that just counters and eliminates all (though thats cool and powerful and all, super boring/not creative)
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Post by Tuism on Jul 15, 2012 1:39:13 GMT -5
The combo I was talking about is: Sofia's Office + Ottoman gunman. I don'tsee it played that often but it is perfect. It's cheap, incredibly fast, you can put it in all your scholar decks as your ressource boosters (it's even better in non-sites based decks...) and it will give you wins against a lot of decks just by itself. Specially vs anti-game decks like discard or counters. It's one of the major synergy of my current main deck. Try it! Also the palace that drops 3 site tokens, although I'm not sure defender is a good thing Yeah I thought of that combo, but the whole ottoman thing is just so... Fragile. And the synergy is only 2 part so if you don't get an ottoman you're kinda just sitting twiddling your thumb. I like decks that synergise in more than one way, know what I mean? But sure I'll give it a shot |
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Post by The Rancord on Jul 15, 2012 2:22:05 GMT -5
I meet that alot, but its kinda slow, and my surprise deck has 5 TA in it |
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but I think my frustration comes with the fact that it's all combos or counters, key cards or rush, and I'm seeing all the same ones 