[not a bug] Fishing village

[rl]

Golden Site: Fishing vilage
cost 0 (+1 income)
ability: Opponent site in this region loses its abilities. (Launching abilities will have no effects)

Correct me if i am wrong but that second part in parentheses in my mind implies that if the opponent launches a site like say assassin stronghold or assassin guild for example, then their effects should not do anything if it is launched in the same region as my fishing village. It does not work like this, so is this as intended or a bug?

EDIT: the ability part DOES work i have tested that.. its the launching part I am confused about

[Joek]

I think you have to have it down beforehand and trigger the ability before the enemy places the site. (I don't know why anyone would place an important ability launch site there, though.

[Rob (Roebidoebi)]

What I've concluded is that the launching bit works only on sites that do something when something else is launched, like Castel Sant Angelo. I think it is an extra bit of explanation that only confuses everybody.

But I would love to see it working as you suggested. It would be a great way to block all kinds of site-based decks with special abilities.

[rl]

I don't know either.. maybe because the ability on fishing village doesn't actually work. and triggering the abillity before the enemy places a site makes no sense because either way the ability would resolve before or after the launching site comes in play.. and the launching ability still happens... unless you meen trigger the ability as soon as fishing village is down, and then that region becomes dull and the next site to be launched in that region will have no effects.. that might work

[rl]

exactly robi I threw it into an agent rush, its good early income and it protects (or I wanted it to at least) my agents from cards like those that I mentioned, assassin stronghold and guild

[coolkendude]

I think it's WAI but they worded it incorrectly. I think it should state "Opponent site in this region loses its abilities. (Launching abilities of opponent sites are still in effect)."

Or something similar to that. I think of it as the site version of Papal Bull but only affects sites.

[Brontobeuf]

Wait. My english is reaching its limits (or my brain) and I don't get it.

If I have a Fishing Villagein a Region, opponent's Assassin Stronghold will not kill my agents in it?

Can someone reformulate what's going on please? :]

[rl]

Jul 17, 2012 19:17:40 GMT -5 Brontobeuf said:

If I have a Fishing Villagein a Region, opponent's Assassin Stronghold will not kill my agents in it?

That is the way I read the description of fishing village, but that is NOT how it works. I'm just not sure if thats how it was intended, would be nice to get some input from the devs.

Also, what is your first language bronto?

[ironcladtrash]

Jul 17, 2012 9:33:40 GMT -5 coolkendude said:

I think it's WAI but they worded it incorrectly. I think it should state "Opponent site in this region loses its abilities. (Launching abilities of opponent sites are still in effect)."

Or something similar to that. I think of it as the site version of Papal Bull but only affects sites.

I agree with this. I think it is supposed to work like Papa Bull. Since it is not a surprise it can't effect most launching abilities. But this being a permanent on the board maybe the wording could be changed to clarify.

Side note I am also as curious as Rl to what Bronto's first language is since he has better English then me and I don't speak any others.

[Brontobeuf]

(I'm french. I spent 3 years working for an american job in Ireland, explaining why my english is not as bad as it should be ^^)

I don't know what this site is supposed to do to sites with launching abilities. Either scenarios are... weird.

[Pete]

Confusing. I hadn't considered this before, and now this card makes no sense.

[Tuism]

Guys you're confusing the matter.

Fishing village works the same as any other card - it's ability triggers when it resolves. So, if my opponent has a the site that grows by +1 influence when a sanctuary is played, and I drop the fishing village opposite it, it will no longer grow when sanctuaries come into play. I'm assuming this also removes dominant, deceptive, and any other persistent long term abilities of the site.

Basically fishing village removes abilities already there.

NOT launch abilities. Launch abilities will always have resolves previous to fishing village resolving or AFTER fishing village resolves. In case one fishing village has already resolved, new effect comes in and resolves. In case two fishing village can't go back in time to counter what has already happened. So it will NOT affect stronghold, scholars den, the erase site, or any of the other sites without a permanent persistent effect.

[rl]

Why does it say in brackets (launching abilities will have no effects) that, in my mind is worded incorrectly at the moment

[Tuism]

It doesn't affect launch effects because launch effects either have already resolved, or will be unaffected with the village in that region. It's really a courtesy note, if removed it'll work the same. It's a one shot effect, not an "enchantment".

I think this game needs better notation regarding continuous effects vs one shot effects, that's always been quite confusing for people not well versed in the haves and gets.

[rl]

Jul 18, 2012 10:59:25 GMT -5 Tuism said:

because launch effects either have already resolved, or will be unaffected with the village in that region. It's really a courtesy note, if removed it'll work the same. It's a one shot effect, not an "enchantment".

This part confuses the hell out of me lol. If the card is as intended they should take off the parentheses part