archidion
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Post by archidion on Aug 5, 2012 19:37:27 GMT -5
I'll be honest: After seeing 4 Silvo Barbarigos and 3 Suliemans in a single match, I was ready to lay siege to my iPod. In addition to Silvo already being too much for me to handle, he brought out 3 more and 3 other Suliemans, to prevent my Low-Profile Assassinations from doing anything. Finally, to top it off, he brought out 2 Harbor of Theosidus's, making me an enraged barbarian. Anyway, what other memories do you guys think are overpowered?
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Post by The Rancord on Aug 5, 2012 19:57:45 GMT -5
Tuism stated that there will be a balance round, If I understood right, they allrdy have the changes on their version, wich should roll out with one of the next updates, but nothing 100%
assassin stronghold is clearly overpowered, and sulejman is very unhealthy for the meta. Silvio is fine, but currently is bugged, that u cannot counter him.
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Joek
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Post by Joek on Aug 5, 2012 19:59:36 GMT -5
Suleiman, Piri, Fricking Suleiman, Byzantine Ruins, Yerebatan (Although if you made it only action/only site it'd be better), Accursed Suleiman, Prophet-and-Herald-of-the-Unescapable-Dark-Counter-Gods Suleiman, Noble-Prince-of-Darkness-Destroyer-of-Dreams-and-He-who-lurks-in-the-hands-of-those-who-slaughter-the-innocent-young (noobs) Suleiman.
Anyone seeing a pattern?
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Post by Educatedcollins on Aug 5, 2012 19:59:46 GMT -5
Sometimes Piri ruins a game for me.
IDK Stronghold? But I like that card.
There's also a site that weakens your agents for every sanctuary that gets played.
Someone layed that down on me and I was like What...
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Joek
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Post by Joek on Aug 5, 2012 20:06:27 GMT -5
In this meta, (Theodosian Harbor, The unblockable thief site), agent decks should carry rudimentary site removal. Media has plenty, Crime has plenty, Order has counters, Faith has Yerebatan, discard, and Papal Bull (which is such a sexy card), Scholar has none but can find it in another color, and Gold goes with other stuff.
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Post by kackman73 on Aug 5, 2012 20:58:40 GMT -5
Suleiman is the bane of all our existence, but I am using it myself in one deck. You'll be happy to know that I don't have Piri in that same deck. Or maybe you won't. I don't know.
Educatedcollins: Byzantine Church is the site you're thinking of. I love that site.
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Post by jemy000 on Aug 5, 2012 22:09:34 GMT -5
Complete list: Suleiman Assassin Stronghold Yerebatan Cistern Ottoman Gunman Political Patronage Abbazia
I'm expecting to see all but PP nerfed soon. Piri is debatable, but I believe he is only so dominant because of other problems in the metagame (ie, over abundance of good counters).
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Post by kackman73 on Aug 5, 2012 22:16:09 GMT -5
Ottoman Gunman doesn't seem OP to me - it's easily removed with quite a number of cards: off the top of my head, you can kill him easily with Gold, Purple, and Black, and that's assuming that he's even made it on to the board in the first place (hello yet again... Suleiman. >.<).
I do wonder why PP doesn't get nerfed: +1 income, 0 cost, instant 3 gold, and surprise. Yeesh.
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Post by jemy000 on Aug 6, 2012 0:01:37 GMT -5
I forgot one: Abbazia de whatever. I'm not sure how I forgot it since I think it is the worst offender on the list.
While it's true that he gunman is easy enough to kill, that doesn't make him balanced. Compare him to all the other 1 cost agents out there and it's a big difference. Giving sites +1 is much better than scoring because you get the point everyday and it's cumulative. And he does it to all 3 regions! To make him fair he should either not give +1 income or only give +1 to one chosen site.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 6, 2012 0:17:47 GMT -5
I don't think gunman is imba compared to, say, Dante Moro. Sure it's for all 3 regions, but you wouldn't play Dante in a agentless deck either. Sofia's office is possibly too strong. Silvio is bugged. Suleiman... Is Suleiman. Stronghold is too strong. Piri is very strong. There are very few decks that wouldn't be buggered if it can't deal with him.
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Post by Educatedcollins on Aug 6, 2012 0:28:43 GMT -5
I don't think gunman is imba compared to, say, Dante Moro. Sure it's for all 3 regions, but you wouldn't play Dante in a agentless deck either. Sofia's office is possibly too strong. Silvio is bugged. Suleiman... Is Suleiman. Stronghold is too strong. Piri is very strong. There are very few decks that wouldn't be buggered if it can't deal with him. If you look at this post, you'll notice that almost every color is accounted for, except for media. (However, it has PP) Each Color has their own overpowered to help each deck and must use it to our advantages while making decks. however, some of them are stronger than others cause Stronghold is ridiculously strong.
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Post by falkinator2000 on Aug 6, 2012 2:01:03 GMT -5
I don't know about stronghold. Sure, you can kill 2 agents with it if you are really lucky, but if your opponent is reasonably competent he will only campaign with 1 agent in each region. If you complain about this, you have to include the red 10 cost counter ruins on your list as well. I forget its name. 10 cost cards SHOULD be extremely strong. You basically have to devote your entire deck to being able to get them out (getting the income, surviving long enough). I think a tournament would be extremely helpful in reaching a consensus about which cards are overpowered. I am not sure stronghold would be in the winning deck even if the deck included black. On the other hand, I am almost certain that Piri would be in the best green deck and PP would be in all good purple decks.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 6, 2012 2:53:57 GMT -5
Yep, thanks for that point Educatedcollins, I've made that point in a previous round chatter. But of course the meta has matured a lot more so a lot more discoveries has been made with cards and well. I do agree that every colour has their overpower, and that kinda balances it out, but basically it's all the same cards doing the rounds, which is slightly meh Balance balance come balance patch come
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 6, 2012 4:04:05 GMT -5
Considering that Ubi already has a patch ready, none of the following will have any effect on any balancing actions but...
I realy don't like the 2-in-1 cards like Suleiman (counter and 2/2 agent), assassin stronghold, etc.
Fine if you want to counter, discard or destroy something, but it comes at a price. I.e. you include a card that can only be played defensively and does not give you any board advantage, just the ability to remove a threat.
With these new 2-in-1 cards you get both an offensive and a defensive card combined in one, and at surprise speed as well (to make it even worse). So they give you card advantage, speed advantage and deck advantage in a single card. That is just too much!
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Post by falkinator2000 on Aug 6, 2012 4:18:07 GMT -5
But what about venizia san polo district (destroy a site, includes a site)? What about Mario Auditore/Giovanni Auditore (destroy site / agent includes an agent)?
The only difference is the surprise speed. While I agree that surprise speed is powerful, that's not what most complains are about! I think it is great that we have cards with these 2 for 1 effects. Otherwise, any kind of defensive deck would have to include green for gaining card advantage.
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