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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 20, 2012 23:15:41 GMT -5
5 - Political Patronage 5 - Ancient Map 5 - Knowledge is Power 5 - Scientific Method 5 - Street Thespian 5 - Darim 5 - Assassin Library 5 - Advanced Training 5 - Magnetic Personality 5 - Niccolo Machiavelli or 5 Sofia's Home I really like these two decks for using the Deceptive agents and boosting them so I decided to make my own version. acreedrecollection.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fun&action=display&thread=1829acreedrecollection.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=tournament&action=display&thread=1983This deck is insanely quick, but that's all it is, just rush. However it is pretty consistent. I like this over the San Gimignano and Assassin's library decks because this one is not necessarily relying on one combo. Nothing in this deck costs over 3 income. Because every card is in there 5 times, Scientific Method is almost as good as Quick Study. With the other draw cards as well you are pretty much guaranteed to get all the agent boosters needed to win quickly if they are not already in your hand. Nicco is in here because nothing else really fits, but only play him if you don't have a Darim. Magnetic Personality on Darim is worth 10 points while Magnetic Personality on Nicco is only worth 7. If you wanted to make this deck cheaper you could replace Political Patronage with Den Defense and Nicco with Ardent Actor, but unfortunately this deck almost really needs Political Patronage. Edited to add Sofia's Home as a replacement option for Nicco, it's deceptive and only cost 1 income. |
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 21, 2012 0:12:50 GMT -5
Nice one, iron! I'll give it a try.
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 21, 2012 0:33:51 GMT -5
In my haste to try out your deck, I completely forgot the rules of AC:R. I basically buffed up Street Thespian with 4 Advanced Training and 2 Magnetic Personalities after he was blocked by Amerigo. And the sad thing is, I had a smug look in my face saying, this will be over really soon - I forgot that Cunning disregards Fierce damage. Suffice to say I lost my first game with your deck (due to user error though)  I do like the speed. |
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Post by lurifaxb on Aug 21, 2012 4:37:38 GMT -5
Looks good! Why not Al Mualim instead of Nico? I know he cost 9 but since it is all de deceptive damage you need to campaign 2 times with Nico anyways. Nico seems to be a bit misplaced.
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 21, 2012 9:05:51 GMT -5
Looks good! Why not Al Mualim instead of Nico? I know he cost 9 but since it is all de deceptive damage you need to campaign 2 times with Nico anyways. Nico seems to be a bit misplaced. You're right Nicco is a little misplaced but unless you get lucky with PPs you'll never get Al Mualim out fast enough the deck is short on income boosters for sake of speed. I tried the deck with Sofia's home instead of Nicco but it didn't work too well. He can be usefull in this deck but I only use him as a last resort or I have dumped my hand already. coolkendude - when play testing this deck I did the exact same thing.  |
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 21, 2012 9:43:56 GMT -5
Great deck! I replaced Nico with Sofia's Home (the deceptive site). That works pretty well!
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 21, 2012 18:43:21 GMT -5
Great deck! I replaced Nico with Sofia's Home (the deceptive site). That works pretty well! If you think it worked I'll add it as possible replacement for Nicco. It does fit with the deck for being deceptive and cheap except I can't boost it. It didn't work so well for me but could just have been my luck. I really wanted another cheap agent with deceptive but there are no more in Scholar or Media. |
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Post by lurifaxb on Aug 22, 2012 0:58:38 GMT -5
A media/crime variant with Yusuf may also be viable. It seems like the scholar cards are nice, but not critical like the media cards.
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 22, 2012 10:03:02 GMT -5
I really wanted another cheap agent with deceptive but there are no more in Scholar or Media. After my boo-boo in that first game, I won all games so far with this deck with a few changes (even against a Yusuf rush). What I did with my deck is reduce Scientific Method to 4x, change Ancient Map to 4x Sofia's Office. Switched Nico for 4x Gunman, and added 3x Pietro Rossi. Sofia's Office usually isn't countered and adding a few Gunman can help increase the chances of Assassin Library and Office to score against Site-based decks. Also there were a few cases where my opponent was able to deploy a few more blockers vs. Darim and Thespian (late 2nd day or early 3rd day) and it's those times where I only needed to score a few more points where Pietro can win the game for me (with Offices and an Assassin Library on the board). Of course Pietro is a 5-gold card but usually by then, I don't have any trouble deploying him. |
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 22, 2012 18:01:01 GMT -5
What I did with my deck is reduce Scientific Method to 4x, change Ancient Map to 4x Sofia's Office. Switched Nico for 4x Gunman, and added 3x Pietro Rossi. I would be too afraid to change it like that. I hyper focused this deck so much for speed and consistency. I usually want to win in the first or second day at the latest just to out run any counters, or other control decks. I have also gone up a against other speed decks with Nicco and Odai and managed to be quicker even when they got that combo out. I think this is the one Scholar deck that I don't like the Sofia's Office and Gunmen combo. If I draw a Sofia's Office with the first draw it does almost nothing for me, where at least Ancient Maps immediately gives me another card. Almost same reason to keep all 5 Scientific Methods. I think if I slowed it down any I would rather go with how felixschroeter or rockgod321 have it with Order and Media. Just my humble opinion and you are having great success with your changes. I think when Yusuf comes down in price I will work on a deck with him but not sure he would work as fast with the Media. Scholar just has more cheap fast draws and tutors, which was why I played it in this deck. I may have to use Yusuf with more control cards. |
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 22, 2012 18:16:57 GMT -5
Just my humble opinion and you are having great success with your changes. No offense taken and I think deck creation is also about making sure it's compatible with your play style, that's why there's so many variations of the same deck concepts. And yeah, I would also love to try a Yusuf variant but I think I only have one of him right now (and I'm still missing a lot of crime cards). |
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 22, 2012 23:26:37 GMT -5
I think people are actual looking at this post. I just played against your exact version of this deck.
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 23, 2012 0:04:22 GMT -5
Was it a mirror match (well, sort of)? How did it go?
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Post by falkinator2000 on Aug 23, 2012 4:13:27 GMT -5
interesting deck. How about Odai instead of Nico? Scientific method + Odai seems strong and you might gain a bit of late game staying power by including him. Also gives you a bit of an edge against discard.
Disadvantages include vulnerability to holy day.
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Post by falkinator2000 on Aug 23, 2012 7:24:45 GMT -5
oh wait, I thought Scientific method = laboratory research (you know, draw 2 then discard 1). I'd still consider that combo though, since Odai gives a bit of staying power in drawn out games, while with the combo his presence doesnt hurt your speed that much.
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