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Post by Pete on Aug 31, 2012 2:13:33 GMT -5
I spoke to the guy running the Polish site, and suggested instead of having a completely separate forum, where we divided geographical lines, it would be better, and create more cohesion if we had an international section, where each language had its own sub-forum if there was someone prepared to run it.
I suggested to him a Polish section, then whatever sub boards he wants and he can moderate it and run that section however he wants.
He wasnt keen since Polish culture would see this as looking down on his culture, but if anyone else from another country is keen, that dont feel the same, the offer can be extended to anyone else interested in trying something like this.
I dont know how it would work out exactly but I am happy to try since I believe living in this modern age, that we should be removing barriers and geographical divisions, and that it is a duty as part of being human. One day we will all be able to communicate easily with each other, and barriers will not exist, but first we must make an effort to do so.
Kind regards Pete
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Post by Tuism on Aug 31, 2012 3:31:41 GMT -5
While I agree that it would be cool to bring everyone together, I can understand why he wouldn't want to fall in with our group. 1) It's impossible to do a site-wide translation all the time, the translate button is nice, but I doubt that we all really want to see Polish replies and Chinese replies and we'd have to translate them all individually to english while browsing. 2) Therefore we can only do a subforum. And then they'll also want competitive and decks and admin and whatever. That means sub-sub-sub-sub forums coming out of everyones' ears. Not to mention if we click "new topics" and use the app's latest feature (that's how I browse the content) we'll drown in Polish and Chinese posts which we'll have to again translate. That simply isn't practical. 3) So... It's the tower of babel. I really think it's nice to bring everyone together, but language barrier makes it simply impractical. 4) How would you feel if we became a subforum of the Polish site? Nevermind that we were here first blah blah, that's not the point - the point is simply that it would feel shit for us, no matter the circumstance. 5) I think we should propose a lot of interaction between orus and their forum - some kind of knowledge sharing or inter-forum league or something - cos at the end of the day if we have interaction we have less division We'll have to work on that somehow
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Post by Pete on Aug 31, 2012 4:15:50 GMT -5
If I was starting up something brand new, with no followers, and was offered to manage an entire sub forum - AKA ubi forums sub forum style (and get access to all the members), I wouldn't really see an issue. If I am being totally honest. Thats how it works on the SE forums, and everyone seems happy there also.
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Post by Pete on Aug 31, 2012 6:09:38 GMT -5
With regards to you clicking new topics and seeing polish, or French posts and not being able to understand them, my vision would be to have the translate button dynamically translate these sections to English, and vice versa so once you set your language, each board is translated on the fly for your language that is set.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 31, 2012 6:32:53 GMT -5
Of course if you can make it not just a button but a setting that can automatically translate everything as you get there - even if there are 3 languages on the page - that'd maybe work. Wonder how many people will enable it. And then 1) It has to work on iPad, 2) It has to work through the app - which I imagine is next to impossible since that's proprietary. If it doesn't work through the app then I'll have to browse on browser. I like browsing on the app. Well like I said if all the obstacles are out and you can pull in non-english speakers to agree to run their own places, then great, go for it Logistics, reality, details. Those are the things I'm raising, if they're all taken care of then fantastic Between now and when it's all taken care of, let's encourage international interaction in whichever way will be accepted
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Post by Pete on Aug 31, 2012 6:37:07 GMT -5
You are correct, it doesn't solve the problem for people using proboards app, but eventually this also might be overcome with a commmunity member who could make a webapp, in the apple store that would then make it easier to view the site, via this method. There might be people who can code on these forums?
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Post by Tuism on Aug 31, 2012 6:46:43 GMT -5
I don't disagree about "eventually". So that's what I'm talking about in the interim let's push what we can do now
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Post by Pete on Aug 31, 2012 7:08:05 GMT -5
We can do everything now , just not a proboards app, but I dont see that as a showstopper. The number of foreign posts will not be as large as you are thinking, simply due to relatively small number of foreign users. By the time it grows getting a small web app up will be easier than you think. You can easily switch to safari on the ipad during an interim phase, to see what they wrote. It would be nice actually, only real obstacle I see is there may be no foreign players actually interested in maintaining a sub board, that looks similar to the deck discussion sub-boards.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 31, 2012 8:42:17 GMT -5
Well yeah, part of the reality is whether foreign members want to maintain and upkeep a sub-board, as you say. Let's see if there are any interests then implement.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Aug 31, 2012 10:21:56 GMT -5
He is looking down on his own culture. What's so bad about polish culture? There is nothing bad about any culture. It's just understanding and learning and accepting and enjoying differences among diverse cultures.
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