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Post by setzer777 on Jan 18, 2012 14:39:19 GMT -5
I've found this card incredibly useful for rushing. 5/5 Fierce for 5 is an incredible deal, and the "no Templar memories" limitation is easy enough to work around (and unlike the agent penalties of Nico or Guide disappears when Ezio does).
I've been tinkering with a rush deck that combines as many cheap 5 strength agents as possible with Royal Intervention (Pantheon as well, though I'm not sure it's worth it). Often the cheap 5s get countered leaving me free to play RI to finish the match or take back a region. I find Ezio useful for forcing the enemy to burn a counter (at a much lower gold cost for me).
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Post by Tuism on Jan 18, 2012 15:36:20 GMT -5
Ezio'd is awesome on paper, but unless your deck is really built around it it could screw you when you need to drop say a counter. Bronto's nicodeck is one good example of a good Ezio'd deck. Haven't really built one yet cos of my lack of patronages
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 18, 2012 19:33:39 GMT -5
I built a deck like that. Barbarigo, Ezio, RI, etc. I stopped cause the deck was too much base on Templar Cards, so I had to remove Ezios..l and lose the core idea.
Ezio da Firenze is the best fighter of the game.
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Post by Tuism on Jan 19, 2012 7:35:43 GMT -5
Exactly - once you started tweaking you realised how many Templar cards you really should be using... Then you found a replacement for Ezio, and then the whole Ezio core idea goes out the window.
Pound for pound, launching cost wise he's definitely great, but it's just too rushy... Having to sacrifice other cards for the sake of an early 5/5 means you open yourself up to so many things... Untimely demise, Sudden Exhaustion, Demotion, and a few others...
And EVERYONE is packing Demotion and other agent killers now, courtesy of NOT Ezio, but Cesare. So...
I'm trying to build a deck around the idea... cheap cards, win quick, NO card disadvantage. So far? It's only barely average...
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Post by setzer777 on Jan 19, 2012 18:53:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't try to only use Assassin cards, since as you say many Templar cards are crucial. I like to pair him with other rush cards and then play him when my hand is almost empty. So far it hasn't been too big a deal, because opponents usually focus on killing him first, which then frees up my Templar cards again.
Also keep in mind that you can play Templar cards while he's launching (so you can still protect him with counters). The ideal timing to play him would probably be when your hand has no Templars yet and timed so that he resolves a bit after you draw (in case that's a Templar you want to play).
Another use for him is to trade him against opponent fatties that have similar strength but cost more (this would also free up your Templars). Granted, this does all make him a bit situational, but I think the incredible bargain makes it worth it. Oh, also he's very easy to fetch, being gold and a noble.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 19, 2012 19:58:46 GMT -5
Sudden Exhaust is too popular for now. It makes Ezio a 0/5 who just stays here, preventing you from playing half of your deck. :/
Share a deck list, even incomplete, so we can talk about your idea a little more.
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Post by Tuism on Jan 20, 2012 0:34:38 GMT -5
I meant exhaustion, don't know why I typed demotion yeah it's way too popular and one of the reasons why Ezio's not too viable right now. I'll share my deck list/s a bit later to discuss
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 16, 2012 7:34:31 GMT -5
With the nerf to the bosses, this guy is now the most brokenly overpowered agent in the game. 5/5 Fierce for 5 resources, while the bosses cost 10, have a crappy ability at best and are 5/5 WITHOUT Fierce? Sign me up.
I'm currently running 2 very distincts flavors of an Ezio deck and both are powerhouses. PP makes him come out at day 1 and then he just keeps coming, since he only costs 5. It will probably get toned down, since this card now is very incompatible with the bosses. A shame.
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Post by Diomedia on Feb 16, 2012 7:40:24 GMT -5
I've not had chance to play yet but when I looked at the changes I feared this.
I've got a strong all assassin Ezio deck but I think it's going to be too strong now.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 16, 2012 7:44:17 GMT -5
That is not entirely untrue. This Ezio is very strong. I wonder if he's "overpowered" though, as you really have to build entire decks around him, and he still suffers from the typical anti agent like untimely, sudden exhaustion, lassitude, whatever. It takes a really specific type of deck to play Ezio, and those decks are agents - a strong anti-agent component can still decimate him such a deck, depending on obviously how the rest of the deck runs. Nicodeck remains superstrong. For example Ezio decks cannot be counter decks, cannot be unblockable deck, cannot handle sites (well that's arguable), cannot have more general removal or threat (most assassin cards are situational assassin/templar targeted removals), cannot play with mass removal much, cannot be order at all (well mostly, hmmm I might take up that challenge and make an order Ezio Firenze deck )... But it would be interesting to see if he's toned down.
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 16, 2012 7:52:14 GMT -5
But they can be DISCARD decks. And super fast at that.
As you say Order doesn't work. It pretty much needs to be media + something else. Red and Green work fantastically well. Next project is to build a Crime one, which shouldn't be all that hard.
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Post by setzer777 on Feb 16, 2012 11:55:19 GMT -5
Yeah, and it seems like you can get plenty of removal with crime. Mario takes out agents, Giovanni takes out sites, and Ezio Assassin can take out anything*.
*Even with the nerf I still think being able to remove any agent or site and get a 5/5 is a great deal.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 16, 2012 12:01:16 GMT -5
Agreed, I wanted to make a la volpe assassin ezio deck. I only have 2 la volpes
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 16, 2012 14:57:45 GMT -5
Agreed, I wanted to make a la volpe assassin ezio deck. I only have 2 la volpes I don't see much point. I'd much rather have a 5/5 with Fierce than a 7/5 without. You still need 2 attacks with both to get a region, but the one with Fierce can't be chump blocked by courtesans and the like, since some damage will get through. Moot point anyway since I have exactly ZERO Ezio Assassin.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 16, 2012 15:05:24 GMT -5
Not ezio assassin, assassin ezio so all assassin ezio di Firenze deck with thieves. Little rushers with big buggers too Just an idea
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