[crime/scholar]zombie assassins

[dottorcox]

Hi everyone

This is my first post so i wanted to share with you guys a deck i've been working on. I'd like to make it as competitive as possible with your help since I think it's a nice concept.

The deck is based around this combo: you discard your master assassins ( with the discovery and laboratory research) and bring them back( 2 are enough) with military brutality. Then with underground maze they are unblocable and it's the game;)

Here is the list:

BOOSTER:
5 x ancient map
5 x KiP
4 x honest worker ( very underestimated card IMHO)

DISCARD:
5 x the discovery
5 x laboratory research

COMBO:
5 x master assassin
3 x underground maze
3 x military brutality

UTILITY:
2 x history glitch
2 x lassitude
4 x mentor's return
4 x scientific expionage
3 x secret door


The deck has a decent win rate but it's of coirse too dependent to the combo so is not yet to be considered truly competitive!

I need all your help to improve it;) thanks!

[lurifaxb]

I like it by design. I have never played something like this, but I could imagine it has weaknesses but also strengths as it is unexpected.

I would recommend 5x forced charity as it is both income generation but also draw. You really need to get to your combo cards. I like honest worker but he doesn't draw cards. Maybe(?) using Claudia Auditore for draw is better?

Also an underused card in general but really powerful here is Maria Auditore. Discard agent (hello your goal here) and draw an agent (hello you can get another assassin).

Also, consider more deck thinning and income generating with Sofia's Office. 5x of that will make your deck size 40 (with the other deck reduction, 30 if you count KIP and forced charity).

Again, I think your deck is hard to theory-craft and that it needs to be played to be understood. If you never stand still in your deck shuffling, then you may not need the advice above.

[lurifaxb]

On second review I think you have an income problem in many if your draws.
5x kip
5x discovery
4x workers

That is only 10 income 1 cards you can deploy immediately and 4 mid game.



If you add Sofia's office and forced charity it will help a lot. 1-2 incite revolt will also be really helpful, both in income with discard cards and when you run out if cards late game.

[Tuism]

What if you try to combo the self discard cards and the 11 cost cards and thieves (both the scary ones and the useful news like ezio assassin and Mario and Maria) and brutality?

WAY too big of a combo, then, but might just be more consistent

[dottorcox]

thanks for the tips Lurifaxb as you understood this deck is all about drawing efficiency and i can tell you that the laboratory research+mentor's return lets you like crazy ( in fact you usually only need 2 assassin's in your archive). as far as resources I don't know where to fit those forced inherence since those workers really help a lot! I agree though with sofia's office, it really might help with the consistency... where to fit them though?

I tried maria auditore who might seem perfect but I found her just not enough fast , at least not faster then the other methods:(

Incite revolt is sadly not worthy to be used with a discard card ( only 10 of them) I would have used them before the nerf:(

I don't think btw that you can manage to put 2 master assassins in play at the same time as fast as you can do it with this deck! ( as a surprise if you played a secret door before!)

[dottorcox]

I fear that ezio and mario's ability won't trigger when you put them straight in the HQ... i don't understand the the self discard cards the" self discard cards " srry?

[coolkendude]

Military Brutality (MB) is a really fun card to play but the way I setup my deck is such that you don't always have to rely on it.

Here are my suggestions:

1) Take out 5x Ancient Map; replace with 5x Forced Charity (FC) - it's both a draw and income generator (lurifax mentioned this in his post)

2) Take out 4x Mentor's Return; replace with 4x Ezio Mentor (With FC, KIP, Discovery and Lab Research, I don't think you need any more draw power) - also, only play The Discovery if you have Master Assassin or Ezio Mentor in your hand (you can also use it as fodder to Lab Research)

3) Replace 4x Honest Worker with 4x Lanz (I like Lanz and the other lower-cost thieves in this deck because you can use MB to bring them back)

4) Replace 2x Lassitude and 1x Sci Esp with 3x Antonio

5) Optional: Replace 3x Sci Esp with 3X Damat

With this setup, you can play the lower-cost thieves (i.e. Lanz, Damat, and Antonio) and not worry about them dying early (unless they are erased) because you have MB to bring them back. And if they have no answer early on for your lower-cost thieves, then they'll just grow stronger every time (and they all have Threat!).

Taking out Sci Esp maybe a bit of a gamble but the only card I can think of that will derail this deck is Animus Reboot and Doomsday (but I could be wrong).

This is still very susceptible vs. deceptive rush decks so you might want to increase the number of History Glitch cards (this card has saved me a number of times playing this deck). I also haven't played this against Malfatto/Eraser agents deck but I think this is where your Underground Maze combo will work better - hopefully you can score with Master Assassin (MA) before he can use Brute to erase your MA.

This is essentially how I've setup my deck with a few more tweaks but the rest just depends on your play-style. I hope this helps.

Sept 25, 2012 10:35:29 GMT -5 dottorcox said:

I fear that ezio and mario's ability won't trigger when you put them straight in the HQ... i don't understand the the self discard cards the" self discard cards " srry?

+1... Abilities that trigger on resolve won't trigger when you use MB on them.

[Joek]

What happens if your Military Brutalities get discarded?
Also, Incite Revolt/Losing Faith/Animus Reboot/Any Faith Erase or Archive Retrieval/Imperial Gardener kill this deck. I'd keep the Espionage in.

[coolkendude]

Sept 25, 2012 12:46:16 GMT -5 Joek said:

What happens if your Military Brutalities get discarded?
Also, Incite Revolt/Losing Faith/Animus Reboot/Any Faith Erase or Archive Retrieval/Imperial Gardener kill this deck. I'd keep the Espionage in.

Not sure if this is directed to the OP or me but if it's to me, MB being discarded is not a sure-loss for you since you still have Lanz, Damat, and Antonio for early to mid-game; then use your heavy-hitters (Master Assassin, Mentor) late game. Don't stick with the discard strategy if they're using Faith (Losing Faith, Ancestral Recall, etc.) or Gardener. If they bring out Silvio, use Underground Maze.

I'm of the opinion that this game has great balance and so no deck in this game can be the be-all and end-all. Sure you'll be weak against other strategies but that's just the nature of it - the trick is to minimize the weakness or maximize the strength as much as possible in order for it to be consistently competitive.

[Joek]

I was referring to the OP's original deck. Your deck isn't nearly as dependent on the MB.

[Tuism]

If coming into play abilities don't resolve then yeah you can forget about ezio. But it's good to be able to play ezio assassin and kill stuff, instead of relying on brutality.

[Rob (Roebidoebi)]

Please note out that Maria Thorpe gets erased when discarded. So she's kind of useless if you want to get her back using Military Brutality.

[Rob (Roebidoebi)]

Sept 26, 2012 3:41:25 GMT -5 @miope said:

Sept 26, 2012 3:05:42 GMT -5 Rob (Roebidoebi) said:

Please note out that Maria Thorpe gets erased when discarded. So she's kind of useless if you want to get her back using Military Brutality.

Maria Thorpe isn't Thief anyway.

making it an even worse choice

[Tuism]

Lol my absence from play is coming through

[kyleess]

I played a deck like this for awhile. I had Ezio in there. Also La Volpe. When it went off, it went off like a bomb. But it was hard to generate income fast enough to be consistent.