Post by laputaragne on Jan 13, 2013 12:32:00 GMT -5
First of all, sorry for my poor english... I'm french but I'll do my best !
I didn't decide to post anything since now, because what I was reading on the forum was specialist's discussions about the power of this kind of card or of another one... and, well, I wasn't sure my advice was counting because I created a deck just for fun, only for fun.
But... I often win (85/90%), and I reckognized several names of my victims on the forum .... so maybe my deck is worth to be detailled !
Income (7): 5x Forced charity 2x La Rose Fleurie (don't know english name of that crime site !)
Sites (10): 4x Assassin's Guild 2x Secret's Headquarters (poor translation, maybe !) 4x Forum of the Ox
Misc (20): 4x Militia Intimidation 4x Change of Plans 3x Copycat 4x Carnival 5x Beares of mixed tinding things (poor translation)
There's no ONE way to win with this deck, every game is different... and fun : you can adapt your strategy to your opponents', take control or crush enemy's agents, rush, score points with big sites... Just fun, and (also) powerful !
Thanks for your comments, I'll be glad to see your reactions, and your advices will be useful to upgrade this deck !
Post by coolkendude on Jan 14, 2013 11:48:40 GMT -5
Very nice... one of my decks evolved into something similar and I'm using it a lot right now as well.
Here are a few suggestions:
1) Add 2x more La Rose Fluerie ("Rosa in Fiore" is the English equivalent) to help with Income and take out 2x Altair's Instruit ("Altair, Learned" in English) as I feel he doesn't belong (but that's just my opinion).
2) Add 4x Pietro Rossi and take out the 4x Assassin's Guild. Pietro Rossi will allow you to make use of your La Rose Fluerie even further and since you already have 4x Change of Plans, I felt the 4x Assassin's Guild might be too much.
3) Also I would change your 2x Secret Headquarters (Site that destroys another site) to 2x Secret Catacombs (Site that steals another site). In fact, I would actually make this 4x Secret Catacombs and reduce by 1 each Bearer of Mixed Tidings and Carnevale.
The above suggestions reflect my play style and may not be suited to yours so adopt them at your own peril.
I like this deck. Thanks for sharing. And your English is pretty good, don't worry about that.
You have some good combos, but some of them work against each other. For instance carnival is good with bearer, but change of plans is bad with carnival (can't steal opponent with 6 agents). Copy cat is really good, but not with Ezio mentor or after a military intimidation. Carnival is also really best with a buffing card like man of the people (all get +3/3 fierce and recovery). It also makes your existing cheap agents worth it.
I agree with most of the suggestions from Kenny. But I would use a bit more agents and less carnival. 5x Rossi and no catacombs. 5x Rossi should be enough. A straight anti site cards like catacombs (although the best in the game) is useless if you face agents. Rossi is still useful vs agents, counts with your bearer of mixed tidings, works as an agent, and makes you score with your sites (Fiore). I would rather use combo cards for agent and site killing to back up you change of plans and Rossi. Ezio assassin kills both. Same does controlled arson, and is cheaper. Also Stronghold doubles as a scoring site besides agent killing and is also useful.
I would play 2x man of the people and only 2x carnival. If you get your agents going, you should get them with your bearer of mixed tidings. And stick with the copy cats, they are awesome and not used as much these days, although they should. I will try with my own version.
Post by coolkendude on Jan 14, 2013 17:25:21 GMT -5
Luri, nice suggestion on Assassin Stronghold. Ever since it was introduced, I don't think I've ever used it in my decks because of the bug. But even after they've fixed the bug, I just didn't think of using it. But I think it will work well in this kind of deck. I'll have to update my version and it's actually a good answer to Militant rush.
Looks like a nice deck. I think coolkendude and lurifuxb have some very cool ideas to make the deck more focussed, if you have the cards, I suggest you try them!
What I would change around is get rid of Change of Plans and replace with 2 more Secret Headquarters or even replace then all for Venezia, San Polo District and 2 Assassins Strongholds.
And indeed put 5 Pietro Rossis in there. I think that would let you score faster. I would probably replace 1 bearer 2 carnevales and the 2 altairs for them...
I'm pretty sure you've encountered lots of times where you'd thought carnevale wasn't as effective as it could've been, because you still had a few Dama Rosa's and some other agents already out on the field. So 2 should be enough, just only to play when necessary...
Anyway, thanks for sharing, will try it out myself in the near future for sure! Looks like a lot of fun to play...
Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Jan 15, 2013 4:35:11 GMT -5
I've been playing it yesterday and the deck works better than I expected. One problem I have is with the lack of "cheap" income builders. I had to mulligan a lot with this deck and had many early withdrawals due to a too expensive first hand.
As you said your deck can (and must be) played in a lot of different ways, depending on your draw. It performs well, but is not very consistent...
Post by laputaragne on Jan 15, 2013 16:14:22 GMT -5
Thanks for all your answers ! Thanks for taking time to think about the deck and try to improve it !
So, if I sum up :
1- I take out 2 carnivals, the 4 assassin's guild, and 2 secret headquarters 2-I add 2 more "Rosa in Fiore" for early income 3- I add 2 "Assassin's Stronghold", because, eh... because it's an excellent card ! 4- I add either 4 "Pietro Rossi" or 2 "Pietro Rossi" and 2 "secret catacombs"
I don't think I'll add "man of the people", because early agents are usually blown up quickly, the victory is mine thanks to Altair, Ezio and stolen or copied enemy agents...