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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 17, 2012 23:52:18 GMT -5
Hey, Lanz is a living nightmare for too many decks to let him stay backstage. So I made it simple: let's be a pain. 5 Plentiful Crop 5 Discreet Calling 2 Forced Charity 5 Lanz 4 Antonio de Magianis 4 Corrupt Herald 1 Lia de Russo 5 Divine Intervention 5 Answered Prayers 5 Ritual Sacrifice 4 Brilliant Burglary 5 High-target Assassination And you have it. PLAYBOOK Everything depends on your starting hand. - Discard oriented: then empty their hand before playing your thieves. - Rush oriented: play Lanz and rush and discard lock your opp asap. Everything else is a matter of the tricks you can do with the cards you have. Brilliant Burglary is one of the hardest cards to play in the game, I play it safe, at 2 ressources most of the time, unless I've seen their hand of course. It's also good before the new day, so they won't play their new card imediately. Site-based decks shouldn't be a problem with Antonio, unless they pack Roma. Try to discard them if you see them. Combos decks should be shuted down by discard and ressource destruction. Agents decks should have a hard time fighting against your Agents. Rushing against Lanz is fail. High-Target Assassination should be played only on problematic targets. Don't waste it. Should you try this deck, please, leave a comment. Feel free to critic, to tweak and have fun with it!  |
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Post by Tuism on Jan 18, 2012 1:35:16 GMT -5
Theory is sound, I guess Lanzs are as good as Cesares to just sprinkle into a discard deck the same way Cesares are in any blue deck. Also, the only discard deck of yours that I've seen without Ancestral Discoveries. I've faced Brilliant Burglary twice - both times they did cost me the game, but only after 3 continuous days of getting hit by it just before the 10 gold threshold. I like the idea, it's different  |
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Post by Tuism on Jan 18, 2012 12:38:03 GMT -5
Haven't played too many games, but just some feedback: this deck is BRUTAL. Lanz and discard go together like fish n chips. Or burgers and gherkin. Or ninjas and pirates If I had Ezio's I'd play them  |
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Post by Diomedia on Jan 18, 2012 13:12:46 GMT -5
Oh lord I would not like to play against that! That's an evil deck it looks like a quick deck to win though. I made a discard/courtesan deck (slutty nuns) it was ok but pure misery to play and to play against, I think it was the deck that made SirHazar blacklist me. |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 18, 2012 19:24:48 GMT -5
Reduced Corrupt Herrald and Briliant Burglary to 4 copies. I don't want them in 2 or 3 copies in mu starting hands. Added 2 Forced Charity to replace them without hurting the deck balance too much.
Don't play Forced Charity early game if you can discard or rush instead. You can't afford to lose the speed.
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Post by Tuism on Jan 18, 2012 19:28:36 GMT -5
I made another version with a few tweaks, Ezio di Firenzes instead of Lanz and Paola instead of discreet. Added against all odds too. Less flexible, slower, but more interesting... Will evolve it some more can't really use heirloom cos no gold gain |
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Post by rha737 on Mar 15, 2012 1:21:16 GMT -5
was perusing through the deck archives here and stumbled upon this. i've been trying to decide which lanz style i prefer between the discard/lanz combo or the counterspell/lanz combo. both have their pros and cons—it seems the discard variant offers much more absolute board presence and stability while the counterspell (ie. faux pas, court order) variant opens up more immediate solutions to region scoring.
regardless this is an awesome deck and just wanted to bump it back to page 1 :-)
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Mar 15, 2012 2:21:10 GMT -5
Don't forget the Magnetic Personality/PP variant with Lanz! I play that all the time.
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Post by rha737 on Mar 15, 2012 10:13:34 GMT -5
oh yea you're right. that's a brutal aggro combo. would hate to face one of those decks
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 15, 2012 19:13:09 GMT -5
I've been playing a Lanz deck where the only media cards are PP and magnetic personality. It wins a ton as it's generally able to beat most site and most agent decks. I ran into a hard anti-agent deck recently that did beat it, but that's rare and even that game was close. I will post it later when I'm not typing on my phone.
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 15, 2012 19:34:37 GMT -5
Ahh, why not. Things are slow atm. Here is my Lanz deck, I'm open to opinions. So far I've made few changes to my initial build because I haven't lost much. One key of mine is to have few cards that I can't use, and this has too many specific to agents (few useless against decks not playing sites) but I find that my ability to destroy sites tends to be sufficient. As a warning, this is NOT a cheap deck:
5 PP
1 discreet calling
1 treacherous cutthroat
5 ugo
2 easy target
5 forced charity
2 vicious sneak attack
5 Lanz
5 magnetic personality
5 Antonio de magianis
2 Le volpe
1 Mario auditore
1 secret catacombs
5 change of plans
3 controlled arson
2 Ezio auditore, assassin
I do at times find myself gold constrained due to poor starting hands, but get away with it due to the poor quality of opponent. I've played this against several top players and some decent decks and it's done well. I am open to any thoughts or suggestions or even just setting up a match to try it against other good decks. It's a good deck for snapping off 10 quick wins.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 16, 2012 0:48:47 GMT -5
Do you not find that you'd rather have another Lanz instead of a treacherous cutthroat? I ask because you only have 1 discreet calling, while in your deck more discreet callings could not only bump income but also thin deck and get you a thief you really prefer. I run this deck too but since I only have 1 la volpe I rely on discreet to get to him.
I don't like vicious sneak attack I'd rather play tactless theatrics. Otherwise generally I'd go for more consistency with more of the better cards than to load up "options".
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Post by Tuism on Mar 16, 2012 2:07:29 GMT -5
Just to add to the above (easier cos I'm on a real computer now ), having 5 discreet callings means you can replace 1 secret catacombs with that other site killing agent (forgot name) or another Ezio Assassin and tutor him when you need. Otherwise 1 secret catacombs simply doesn't make sense if you *do* need to deal with a site. Same with any other "key" singles like Mario. |
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Post by UnCL0NED on Mar 16, 2012 3:55:58 GMT -5
What's with La Volpe. Ultra-rare? It's the only Assassins rare I haven't got yet |
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 16, 2012 16:03:17 GMT -5
I've found that secret catacombs can be a very nasty card. It's significantly better than a site killing agent as it not only disrupts your opponent but can often make you win that zone. I don't have more of them, but I don't know that I would play more in this current meta. I play against too many agent decks.
I'm going to think about discreet calling some more. It helps with this deck's weakness in gold but also slows down the rush. I've found Ugo to be pretty useful generally.
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