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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 17, 2012 4:12:29 GMT -5
This one is not original as it's one of my first competitive decks. But it may be interesting to propose it to the critics here. Sadly, it's not for low budget players. Some rares are needed in 5 copies. :/ 5 Political Patronage 5 Dama Rossa 5 Niccolaus Copernicus 5 Nicollo Machiavelli 5 Ezio Auditore da Firenze 5 Skilled Minstrel 5 Art Gallery 5 Evasive Maneuvers 5 Magnetic Personality 5 Scientific Espionnage PLAYBOOK There is no big big strategical choice to make while playing this deck. It's all tactic. So I'll just share a few tricks here. - Evasive Maneuvers cancel Threat. Good to kill Lanz. - Magnetic Personality will help Copernic and the Minstrel to score. - Don't score with the Minstrel if you're the only one with Agents! - You can keep the effect of the Minstrel in the queue for a while (don't wait too long, because it can certainly bug wi Machiavelli or a draw phase...). Good to kill Agents who have just arrived. - If you have no cards in hand, Machiavelli will make you discard nothing. - keep Rossa in hand mid game to feed Machiavelli. - Play the Art Gallery before Ezio. - Copernic is the first Agent to play when you have PP. - Play the Art Gallery in the second Region where you have the less score. Never the high score one. Hope you'll enjoy it. And if you try it, please, leave a comment!
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Post by The Rancord on Jan 17, 2012 14:40:44 GMT -5
Its awesome i love it allrdy played with it before. But I like the legionaire more
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 17, 2012 21:41:16 GMT -5
Me too. And now that I removed the Minstrel (makes the game crash too frequently), I play the Carnivale Performers and the deck is not as good. Legionnaires will be added back as soon as they are no longer bugged.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Feb 15, 2012 0:09:53 GMT -5
love this deck. well thought - Legionnaires in. remove minstrels.
Good job, brontos.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 15, 2012 1:46:45 GMT -5
This is one deck that I really, REALLY have trouble tweaking. It's so finely balanced that any changes would throw it off almost completely.
Love playing it!
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Feb 15, 2012 10:35:12 GMT -5
I wonder why you put Ezio in this deck... He's excellent for 5 gold, but in conflict with Art Gallery. I would put in something that can handle sites. Don't know what though...
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 16, 2012 7:59:50 GMT -5
I wonder why you put Ezio in this deck... He's excellent for 5 gold, but in conflict with Art Gallery. I would put in something that can handle sites. Don't know what though... Because Ezio is the meat of the deck. Especially now that the bosses have been nerfed. It's the Art Gallery that's not needed at all. I don't run it myself. You really don't need that much anti site either since you should be winning faster than their sites anyway. You only need to take care of stuff like Vaticano District, a few San Polo Districts take care of that IMO.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Feb 16, 2012 8:12:42 GMT -5
Good point! Dump the Art Gallery and you have something!
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Post by Tuism on Feb 16, 2012 9:01:51 GMT -5
Art gallery is GREAT for getting those last points, and it turns dama rasa into at least 2 points. Ideally Art gallery is dropped just before Ezio, while you're pumping out the nicos and legionaires. Trust me, Art Gallery DOES work But hey I'm not averse to swapping it out for something that also works. If there's something else that works just as well by all means go for it
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Post by The Rancord on Feb 16, 2012 17:08:22 GMT -5
Deck is autoloss to vaticano though
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Post by Tuism on Feb 17, 2012 0:48:15 GMT -5
The likelihood of getting 2 vaticanos down fast enough against something like this is just a liiiittle better than gettin 2pps and a doomsday in hand 1. But yes it's true. Good thing vaticanos lockdowns are way less popular than other dominant types. I have a black variant of this nicodeck, suffers from card advantage loss but more jack of all trades
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 17, 2012 7:52:33 GMT -5
Deck is autoloss to vaticano though There's no reason to play the posted version exactly. Like I mentioned I don't run Art Gallery, because I feel it actually slows the deck down. It speeds up getting one region at the cost of another IMO. If you could consistently get 2 out maybe I'd feel different, but I don't think it's needed here. Think about what you need to get to 10 in a region. 2 attacks from Ezio, Niccolaus Copernicus + Magnetic Personality + Ezio. Only if you go at a region with only Niccolaus or Skilled Ministrel the Art Gallery could be helpful. That's 5 cards you can dedicate to something else. Then there's Evasive Maneuvers, which I see no reason to run either. 5 Skilled Ministrels is overkill and you end up slowing down your own deck, just 2 is more than enough for my needs. That's 13 cards that can be used for something else. I'm not entirely sold on Machiavelli, but since I only have 2 I run them, so 3 more cards. 5 Scientific Espionage is also overkill IMO. So that's 20 cards I dedicate to something else. I once was stuck in the 2 Roma Vaticano combo, so I just had to kick my drawing into gear until I got one of my San Polo District to get the win.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 17, 2012 8:07:08 GMT -5
I think everyone should run variations as they feel fit The typical win with Art Gallery goes something like this: Patronage, Nico drop, Machiavelli drop, all before the end of day 1. Attack attack. Dama rasa. Drop Art gallery on the site you haven't attacked yet. Drop Ezio. Rested Machiavlelli and Nico attack again. If there're no blockers or interruptions, you win when Ezio attacks the art gallery site. If there are blockers, you're scoring on the Art gallery anyway. AND all that fierce. Evasive prevents opponent's big beefs from killing your guys. Prevents stolen agents from killing your guys (happens a LOT nowadays with discard). Prevents Mario or other outright agent killers from killing. Generally useful. Not ALWAYS, but I like to keep my agents safe, especially late game where bosses start showing up. I don't think it's perfect but it's been really consistent and strong for me. I've been building variants but this one remains the strongest. The blue one was fun (posted elsewhere)
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Post by crazygambit on Feb 17, 2012 8:25:12 GMT -5
The typical win with Art Gallery goes something like this: Patronage, Nico drop, Machiavelli drop, all before the end of day 1. Attack attack. Dama rasa. Drop Art gallery on the site you haven't attacked yet. Drop Ezio. Rested Machiavlelli and Nico attack again. If there're no blockers or interruptions, you win when Ezio attacks the art gallery site. If there are blockers, you're scoring on the Art gallery anyway. AND all that fierce. Evasive prevents opponent's big beefs from killing your guys. Prevents stolen agents from killing your guys (happens a LOT nowadays with discard). Prevents Mario or other outright agent killers from killing. Generally useful. Not ALWAYS, but I like to keep my agents safe, especially late game where bosses start showing up. I don't think it's perfect but it's been really consistent and strong for me. I've been building variants but this one remains the strongest. The blue one was fun (posted elsewhere) In that scenario Magnetic Personality is much, much better. It only costs 3, can't be countered and will get you the win in exactly the same amount of time. Machiavelli and Niccolaus get 6 in one region on their first attack. The Machiavelli attacks that region again. Niccolaus attacks the other + Magnetic Personality along with Ezio for 10. Faster and with less chance of screwing up. Also if Niccolaus gets blocked he will still draw you a card. Sorry, not sold on the gallery for this deck. You already have buff agents that can be buffed further with Magnetic. Art Gallery is overkill and actually slows you down IMO. Again Evasive Maneuvers is a lot less useful when you have access to Magnetic Personality. It will likely have the same effect in protecting your blocked guy AND you'll score. You really shouldn't be blocking with this deck. Sudden Exhaustion is much better now. Originally Evasive Maneuvers was an answer to Lanz. It's not needed anymore. Sudden Exhaustion stops him cold now. Also you can throw some Dama Rosas his way to completely nullify him.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 17, 2012 9:13:06 GMT -5
That's true yeah, Exhaustion rocks. Except it's templar I'd rather not get stuck with a dead card when I need it - Yes Gallery faces the same issue, so I was looking for a solution for it - but I can control when I play Gallery, not so much for Exhaustion - holding back an Ezio so I can play Exhaustion is silly. I'm all into looking for Gallery alternatives, being a templar card really bites sometimes when it gets clutched
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