[Media/Order] Victorinox

[Tuism]

<edit made a mistake on two cards - included San Polo District and Sudden Exhaust>

Victorinox are the people who make those cool swiss army knifes This deck kinda does that

Resource
5 Plentiful Crop
5 Forced Inheritence
3 Hard Worker

Fetchers/copiers
5 Family Heirloom
3 Copycat
5 Clothes Make the Man

Counters
5 Court Order
2 Pre-emptive Strike

Utility
1 Condotteiro Tactics
1 Sudden Exhaustion
1 Forli
2 Animus Reboot
1 Venezia, San Polo District
1 San Gimignano
1 Monteriggioni

Win
5 Royal Intervention
3 Carnivale
2 Cesare Borgia

So I’ve been building this deck for a long time, and I *think* it’s mature... It’s had way more wins than losses, and with surprising consistency... I don’t even really know what it is really.

Basics are Family Heirlooms for whatever, usually Animus Reboot. Drop win con depending on what’s on hand/good at the time. Countering stuff as needed. But few games really go this way

Clothes and Copycat - especially Clothes - deserve their own strat session:

Resource - Copying a Crop is a good idea. Especially if you don’t have much else. It makes this deck consistent.
Counters - it’s a counter-counter almost in all cases. If you suspect opponent’s holding a counter, Drop something big, copy it immediately. Almost in all cases people wait to counter - or have only enough resource to counter once. If they counter, drop yours. 80% chance they don’t have another counter or resources to counter.
Copying THEN countering something your opponent throws is a great game-breaker. RI? Papal? Reboot? I can’t say how many times I’ve copy/countered Carnivale. Great fun.
Doubling down on your own stuff - Keep a copy handy - if you know your opponent drops fatties, drop Condo Tactics, and make a copy handy. If they remember they’ll be mindfucked, if they don’t you have an advantage of zero cost... Whatever.

Remember Heirloom is a surprise so can’t be copied - but also can’t be countered. Good stuff. Hang onto it until you really need a solution. Sometimes I have to Heirloom for a Plentiful. So be it.

It’s not as single minded as combo decks, not as safe as control decks, not as fast as rush decks, but it’s fun And since it’s almost one of everything it’s not hard to build.

Enjoy!

[Brontobeuf]

Can't build it, I only have 2 Heirlooms.

[Raphael Majere]

Strange, the rarity thing. I have 7 heirlooms and 7 Lanz and I know Bronto only has 1 lanz, right?

[The Rancord]

I wouldnt play 1 ofs without any kind of tutor.

Forli/San are at least somehow the same kind of card, but the rest is clearly one card.

Also Monteriggioni hurts ureself pretty badly, since allmost all ure actions are surprise anyway.

[Tuism]

Ofs? What's that?

Forli San are the post-reboot drops. Sometimes the first time doesn't work out then I have to get a Forli. A San THEN a Forli pretty much kills when the opportunity presents itself.

Monteriggioni I hardly ever play EXCEPT against counter-heavies. So it's more of a contingency than a needed card.

[The Rancord]

1 of a kind = 1of

[Tuism]

Jan 9, 2012 8:37:19 GMT -5 The Rancord said:

1 of a kind = 1of

Ah! But... There *are* tutors... 5 Family Heirlooms...

[Tuism]

Bumpy bump, I'm playing this one and it's been pretty consistent, but being counter-y in nature makes it kinda samey-samey to play. Any suggestions to make it... less samey-samey?

[coldboard]

I don't have what is necessary to build this deck unfortunately. All speculative right now.

I don't think you need Condotteiro Tactics, Sudden Exhaustion and Monteriggioni (rancord's reasons). These cards don't seem to have a good purpose considering the rest of the deck.

I see the deck as one that is heavily relying on Animus Reboot as most of your win-cons come after dropping a reboot. That being said, I think it's a very effective deck to get wins as it punishes opponents that overplay their hand (I do this so many times) and slower decks with no answer for Royal Intervention(RI). Do you have issues versus heavy counter and discard decks?

[Tuism]

Tactics, exhaustion and Monterigionni...

Tactics is removal AND self replacing... Very valuable late game. Exhaustion is for Cesare - heirloom > exhaust. Monterigionni I can actually give up on, it's a very specific card... And it's a bit of a bug exploit too

What else would you put in their place, though?

And yes, I do struggle a bit against heavy discard and heavy counter (also why I put in Monterigionni). Also heavy rush if I don't get my reboot in time or get out-countered. So that's also why crop and inheritance is in there... But I have replaced inheritance with dama rasas.

[Brontobeuf]

Heavy discard is just strong. :/

I'd remove the Condotierro Tactics too. Just because it's strong doesn't mean it has a place in your deck.

I'd play something like that with your golden cards:

- 4 Heirlooms
- 2 Forli
- 4 Sudden exhaust (when you have 3' you don't hesitate to use them and gain the ressource)
- 2 Mob Justice (so better than Venezia in your deck, as it gives a ressource and can be copied)
- 3 Animus Reboot


I would also avoid Plentiful Crop, because you don't gain card advantage enough outside of Animus Reboot, and play instead:
- 2 By Order of the King
- 1 Hard Workers more
- 1 Dante Moro (simple but good combo with Order of the King and Cesare)

You still need ressources, that's why all the medium range cost cards are trying to give you +1.

Mulligan condition on the Inheritance anyway.

[Brontobeuf]

Inheritance > Dama Rossa for ressources purpose. You don't use your courtesan in this deck, and she will even take a slot in your HQ during Carnivale.

[Tuism]

Jan 11, 2012 2:14:48 GMT -5 Brontobeuf said:

Heavy discard is just strong. :/

I'd remove the Condotierro Tactics too. Just because it's strong doesn't mean it has a place in your deck.

I'd play something like that with your golden cards:

- 4 Heirlooms
- 2 Forli
- 4 Sudden exhaust (when you have 3' you don't hesitate to use them and gain the ressource)
- 2 Mob Justice (so better than Venezia in your deck, as it gives a ressource and can be copied)
- 3 Animus Reboot


I would also avoid Plentiful Crop, because you don't gain card advantage enough outside of Animus Reboot, and play instead:
- 2 By Order of the King
- 1 Hard Workers more
- 1 Dante Moro (simple but good combo with Order of the King and Cesare)

You still need ressources, that's why all the medium range cost cards are trying to give you +1.

Mulligan condition on the Inheritance anyway.

Cool suggestions, thanks

I was just thinking that San gimignano not really a necessity over Forli after a reboot, but I needed two gold win cons so 2 is good

I don't see why not 5 heirlooms?

Yeah Cesare + Dante is just win. With Reboot it's sick. Big combo but doable.

Re: Mob justice - I know it can be copied, but it can also be countered. And many site rushes work on Espionage or Order counters - so in that case San Polo would get through and destroy a site where I might struggle against counters otherwise. Thoughts?

[Brontobeuf]

One of each then.