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Post by xatria on Jan 13, 2012 4:53:23 GMT -5
I played this deck (revised without Carnivale) for about 12 times. Lost twice. Once to Lanz + Ezio Thief which could have been won if it's not for uncounterable agent bug. Grrr.... Second to site rush. Countered few sites but no Role Reversal until after opponent won at new day. I might have misplay the counters. I replaced few agent control actions for Francesco Vecellio and Wanted Poster. One game I had Wanted Poster killed Dante, Carlo and 1 more Noble. Francesco is great against Lanz, Carlo and other Cesares. Similarly with Wanted Poster can handle Silvios, pumped weenie (as long as they are at most 4 health). My guess for this anti-deck would be site-based. Which is not saying much haha..  |
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Post by drazel on Jan 13, 2012 5:22:43 GMT -5
Francesco is great in and against this deck mainly beacause of the uncounterable bug, sadly. Bu yes I think the anti-deck is a site based one, I'm working on one, I'll post the list as soon as I'm sure it has a good win ratio against schyzo cesare
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Post by The Rancord on Jan 13, 2012 5:27:19 GMT -5
Also cards like:
ultimatly End/Under Arrest/Suddden Exhaust are quit common in the meta. Would be all dead cards against a site based strategy.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 13, 2012 7:52:50 GMT -5
Villa Auditore Site Cost 3 1 influence Order Agents cannot campaign in the region. Lalalalalalaaaaaaaa.... |
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Post by Tuism on Jan 13, 2012 10:19:31 GMT -5
OK I got it... Blue/black's own Cesare madness with Ezio, Assassins... Cos he damn well can't be countered...
Or as it stands - Roma + Villa Auditore = LOL
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Post by joolsita on Jan 13, 2012 10:29:14 GMT -5
I'll simply stick my older site-based deck... When it's running properly, no match against it can be won. LOL!!!
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 13, 2012 20:28:35 GMT -5
Well, now that Ubi confirmed the bug, I stopped playing it, si I can reveal it. Basically, it was the exact same concept, but with Crime instead of Order. No counters to beat RI/Pan, but as it has been said, who's still playing that? Add Francesco, Mario, Ezio and a looot of surprises to deal with Cesare, Lanz and cie. Nothing to be countered but Forced Charity, Crop and Discreet Orders. It was also strong against sites because of the mercenaries too (amd still packing 3 Role Reversal with them). 100% wins. But yeah, bug is bug so it has to end. I'm now working on sites-based decks and a rush with Ezio. The rush looks really good, but I need a 5th PP and 2 Divine Interventions to make it more consistent. The core concept is quite original, even associated with the classic Ezio/PP/Machiavelli. I think Joolsita faced it once, not sure. A small dependance to PP for a quick win may be its weakness, that's why I need a 5th. The site based deck is Crime/Faith, and yes, I'm playing Villa Auditore and Roma (and another highly underrated site). Do the math, Villa Auditore will mess with 7 decks out of 10 (a lot more in reality considering how popular Order is) beside being a radical solution to Cesare, who is certainly the best winning condition of the game right now. My concern now is Lanz, not Cesare. This deck can't handle Lanz as it is now, and Roma won't help (not everybody stopped playing Mario, Giovanni and Ezio like me ^^). It has a chance if Dante Moro is not played... Edit: two versions of Roma decks just crushed by Cg's Lanz. Sites may be a solution against Cesare/Media, but not against Lanz/Order. I hate Lanz, can't kill him on the field, can't have him in boosters. Need the patch to play the Action-Agents again. |
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Post by crazygambit on Jan 13, 2012 22:12:35 GMT -5
Well, now that Ubi confirmed the bug, I stopped playing it, si I can reveal it. Basically, it was the exact same concept, but with Crime instead of Order. No counters to beat RI/Pan, but as it has been said, who's still playing that? Add Francesco, Mario, Ezio and a looot of surprises to deal with Cesare, Lanz and cie. Nothing to be countered but Forced Charity, Crop and Discreet Orders. It was also strong against sites because of the mercenaries too (amd still packing 3 Role Reversal with them). 100% wins. But yeah, bug is bug so it has to end. I'm now working on sites-based decks and a rush with Ezio. The rush looks really good, but I need a 5th PP and 2 Divine Interventions to make it more consistent. The core concept is quite original, even associated with the classic Ezio/PP/Machiavelli. I think Joolsita faced it once, not sure. A small dependance to PP for a quick win may be its weakness, that's why I need a 5th. The site based deck is Crime/Faith, and yes, I'm playing Villa Auditore and Roma (and another highly underrated site). Do the math, Villa Auditore will mess with 7 decks out of 10 (a lot more in reality considering how popular Order is) beside being a radical solution to Cesare, who is certainly the best winning condition of the game right now. My concern now is Lanz, not Cesare. This deck can't handle Lanz as it is now, and Roma won't help (not everybody stopped playing Mario, Giovanni and Ezio like me ^^). It has a chance if Dante Moro is not played... Edit: two versions of Roma decks just crushed by Cg's Lanz. Sites may be a solution against Cesare/Media, but not against Lanz/Order. I hate Lanz, can't kill him on the field, can't have him in boosters. Need the patch to play the Action-Agents again. LOL, I know how you feel. I feel the exact same way about Cesare. Can't counter it, can't get in boosters. My Lanz deck has very little chance against Cesare, though I am running Villa Auditore (I never seem to get it in time). Antonio de Magianis is much better against sites IMO. Can totally control a site deck. Sudden Exhaustion was a good trick against him. Next time I'll be ready. |
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Post by Ringel on Jan 14, 2012 22:54:24 GMT -5
LOL, I know how you feel. I feel the exact same way about Cesare. Can't counter it, can't get in boosters Yes! Let's ban Cesare! I mean just until I have a few copies... ;D |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 14, 2012 23:12:23 GMT -5
This guy is so strong... Just add him in 5 copies in any deck, and it will increase you win ratio by a huge %. Add Forced Inheritance to it, and you have a deck.
He may deserve a nerf imo.
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Post by Ringel on Jan 15, 2012 0:13:24 GMT -5
Definitely. I would include him in every blue deck I own if I had any.
Here's to the luck of the next pack.
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Post by Top Shelf on Jan 15, 2012 0:39:17 GMT -5
I agree with him being OP. He defines the format.
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Post by Tuism on Jan 15, 2012 1:59:09 GMT -5
At the same time there's plenty of anti Cesare decks - with sudden exhaustions, Roma's and that other blue one. Then there's ezio wrecks which shut Cesare down big time. Granted its bugged but still a good one can outplay order counters. I think it's a meta game thing  I'm just interested to see what happens when the uncounterable agent bug gets solved... It's actually unfortunate that order will only get stronger - but then surprise decks (ironically including Cesare) will give counter decks a hard time. This schizo deck - I'm facing a LOT of losses with it - if it's not discard, it's site overrun, or ezio assassin decks, or I just don't get even average draws. Either there's anti-higher ranked player matchmaking going (but I'm only #41, can't imagine what the top 10 are facing) or the meta has super shifted. |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 15, 2012 2:35:06 GMT -5
What's your exact deck list?
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Post by Tuism on Jan 15, 2012 2:38:19 GMT -5
Nah I haven't tweaked with it so much so it's the same one as last proposed without the carnivale and 4 role reversals, the rest decked with surprise anti-agent stuff. And I've been a bit busy so haven't actually had more than 10 games with it... But still, I just feel the anti-cesare-ness whenever I play it. Less so when I don't! I swear something is up with matchmaking, I would LOVE for the Thierry man to clarify this for us, if it's not supposed to be a secret (which I suspect it is ) |
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