Joek
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Post by Joek on Mar 1, 2012 1:39:12 GMT -5
Red/green discard draw (me) vs red/gold discard. (Gamemaestro) Would have won, he rebooted and used the half day discard trick for what felt like forever. I got Forli and a Silvio Barbarigo in, then waited and used two claudia scholar to grind memories. I got Da Vinci, we fought, he played another animus, but right before it resolved, my da Vinci scored.
Anybody know any practical way to stop a Discard deck?
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Post by jefmajor on Mar 1, 2012 2:27:22 GMT -5
Draw a better hand than they have. That our a red/blue discard/counter/scavenger deck, but, it's likely they would pillage the archive too so tough going.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 1, 2012 2:33:28 GMT -5
Discard is strong but not indestructible. Rushing almost always works - that mostly means political patronage decks, or Machiavelli, or anything that gets early, cheap big attackers. If you can hang on to a counter long enough (blue counters or scientific espionage) to counter a animus reboot that'll seal your win, but that's hard. Animus reboot now at 12 cost is not as much of a threat as it was anyway. Plus erase effect means he can't Ancestral Discovery those cards back. So any media rush, order rush, thief rush will probably be able to kill discard easily. Medium paced decks are most hurt by discard, because they rely on big cards to win - and the big cards are the ones that gets discarded first by divine intervention, let he who is without sin, mysterious stranger, etc first. So you need to make sure that you can get win cons out if your big cards are being discarded. Counter decks are also often disadvantaged cos discarding counters ruin their strat. Playing against counters will teach you to balance your cards to have less pure income boosters - cos those aren't going to win you the game. Refer to a few articles in the academy forum about income boosters with real value!
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Post by Blind_Angel_(Juelette) on Mar 1, 2012 2:44:51 GMT -5
I won maestro by lanz rush ( only once we played), but it was hard. Court order was the goal, which countered wrath.
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Post by setzer777 on Mar 1, 2012 12:54:55 GMT -5
In my experience scholar-heavy decks can also fair pretty well against discard. Your drawing and discarding will often cancel each other out, but Scholars will be left with more useful cards on the board (Salai, Nico, Leonardo, and Scholar's Den) , whereas except for Mysterious Stranger most discard cards provide no way to score (I suppose Citizens do, but they're just a 1/1).
Edit: oh, I forgot Pious Warden can also score decently (though I rarely see them).
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Joek
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Post by Joek on Mar 1, 2012 19:58:55 GMT -5
So would a scholar site/action and noble deck counter discard, or would the increased setup time kill it?
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Post by Tuism on Mar 2, 2012 0:31:19 GMT -5
Site/action and noble.... It sounds like a very spread out strategy. I'm guessing you mean nobles with gallows and battlements and cards to boost like just cause? I think its too slow, but if you build it so that you can get beaters out quickly, have bigger cards to pad discard to keep a counter in your hand for wipe, then maybe. Otherwise maybe not.
I find the fetchers (kings order and discreet calling) work super well against discard.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2012 7:03:08 GMT -5
may be we should have a whole sub-board to discuss certain matches, because these themes gain in popularity
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 2, 2012 22:50:12 GMT -5
Joel - I remember our game, it was a great one. That discard deck typically does well even against rushes as it is media as well and gets quick starts. Sometimes an opponent just gets a really fast start or I don't get any crowd or site control. I get to make a lot of card choices with it and sometimes I make a poor one, although I've learned a lot about what to pull from the archive or eliminate. It's led to some really fun/epic battles and some boring ones where the opponent has summoned 1 or even no memories all game. Once the match-making is set up well I'm down for rematches against anyone.
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 2, 2012 22:54:08 GMT -5
Korvin - were you the one who pulled the court order when I messed up and forgot to keep the card lock on you? That was another good one. Part of why I like the discard deck is because timing is critical and at times it's challenging to make sure everything gets done. It's amazing how letting one card through can be the difference.
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Post by Joek on Mar 2, 2012 23:36:08 GMT -5
Next time we duel, could you use that deck? I think I have some counters in mind...
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Post by gamemaestro on Mar 4, 2012 11:02:46 GMT -5
Next time we duel, could you use that deck? I think I have some counters in mind... Definitely. I use it against those I know are good players since they find the weaknesses and I can try to make it better. I like that when I play a few people (Raphael, you, some others) they typically will try and choose a deck that's good against mine. I wish there was some chat functionality. I just played Raphael a few minutes ago and he's playing a deck that is tough for my discard one (and just generally a great deck). I took a gamble on my opening hand and it didn't work and then misplayed my ancestral recall. Wish I'd pulled the right card, I was off on my timing by about 1-2 seconds and he got the killing blow. It would be nice to be able to congratulate him on a nice play or to be able to quickly deconstruct.
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Post by Raphael Majere on Mar 4, 2012 11:48:00 GMT -5
Next time we duel, could you use that deck? I think I have some counters in mind... Definitely. I use it against those I know are good players since they find the weaknesses and I can try to make it better. I like that when I play a few people (Raphael, you, some others) they typically will try and choose a deck that's good against mine. I wish there was some chat functionality. I just played Raphael a few minutes ago and he's playing a deck that is tough for my discard one (and just generally a great deck). I took a gamble on my opening hand and it didn't work and then misplayed my ancestral recall. Wish I'd pulled the right card, I was off on my timing by about 1-2 seconds and he got the killing blow. It would be nice to be able to congratulate him on a nice play or to be able to quickly deconstruct. Got ur congrats! . The game was very close. I deliberately let my Marco hit on the Borgia tower making him 4/4 so your pagan guy cannot kill him with the minus -3, and I quickly laid the trap for the unblockable attack. I am trying to build ur deck around your concept. Having some fun, but not winning big like the way u do.
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Post by Zed on Mar 4, 2012 14:08:55 GMT -5
Gamemaestro, I'm afraid you've hit my abandon game at deck selection screen list, I love your deck but I just don't have an answer for it
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Post by Joek on Mar 4, 2012 16:39:37 GMT -5
gamemaestro: Thanks. @zed: Use Blue for counters, Red if you want a standstill, (but only if you have 5 divine intervention), or Green to force memories.
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