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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 3:10:23 GMT -5
This was one of my favourite decks before the balance changes, and post the balance changes I decided to see if it was as good - after some tweaks, it actually works in this environment too!
With this, i wanted to demonstrates a couple of principles:
1) Income boosts don't have to be useless - the only income booster without use in here is forced inheritance, and that's just cos it's such a powerful one. Note I have teddies instead of plentiful crap, which will give a higher boost but is completely useless later in the game. All other boosters are self-replacing or will kill an opponent's card. Don't give up card advantage without a good reason! I consider there to be 28 income boosters in this deck, but they aren't useless other than for income!
2) late game domination by "throwing" early game - this early game is all about surviving and getting income to support your late-game habits.
3) don't underestimate counters even if they've been nerfed, they just need more support to operate now
4) Scholar is THE colour of support. It may not win games by itself, but it helps a heck of a lot
So here it is:
5 Teddy V 3 Dante Moro 5 Order of the King 5 Knowledge is power 5 Forced Inheritance
5 Sudden exhaustion 5 Court Order 4 Scientific Espionage 5 Preemptive Strike
4 Lucrecia Borgia 2 Cesare Borgia 2 Leonardo Da Vinci
Looks straight forward, and mostly is. Boost and rush to playing your bosses and pound. Don't counter things that aren't a threat.
And no, it's not a cheap deck, but the base that makes it work - the income boosting, is. And that principle can be applied in many many ways (and I have applied it in many many decks)
Remember the principle!
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Post by The Rancord on Mar 25, 2012 3:53:38 GMT -5
Guys bring ure borgia art decks now, when everyone switches again to counter decks. Fast decks can easily dominate the meta at the moment, because ppl switch to order decks again and they are clearly weaker. Also fast site decks should be quit good atm.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 4:11:22 GMT -5
Fast Borgia art decks have always been and will always be strong, I agree! I made a suicidal site rush deck that does nothing but pump sites too, strong yes But I will always be attracted to the consistency of mid game decks
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Post by thedude808 on Mar 25, 2012 14:14:00 GMT -5
Something is missing from your deck list. You only have 45 cards listed.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 14:49:28 GMT -5
Something is missing from your deck list. You only have 45 cards listed. Ha! I um... Was testing you guys! You er... passed! Just kidding I left sudden exhaustions out, oops
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Post by rha737 on Mar 25, 2012 19:51:22 GMT -5
if i'm playing teddy V + dante AND sudden exhaustion, i would be tempted to put in tactical upheaval for the instant income boost + ability to turn teddy V into a quick 1/1 or creature kill. how do you find yourself refraining from the temptation?
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Post by madstryfe on Mar 25, 2012 22:43:46 GMT -5
I like and dislike Teddy V Great for the income boost at the onset but I don't like waiting for his special. Maybe I need to work him out more?
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Post by Tuism on Mar 26, 2012 2:01:57 GMT -5
if i'm playing teddy V + dante AND sudden exhaustion, i would be tempted to put in tactical upheaval for the instant income boost + ability to turn teddy V into a quick 1/1 or creature kill. how do you find yourself refraining from the temptation? Errrr, I use the Dante and Tactical Upheaval combo a LOT in my big hitter decks in anticipation of Sudden Exhaustion. I don't really see the advantage in Safe + Tactical Upheaval for a 1/1... There aren't that many X/1 kills I'd make the trade for - there's the 4/1 and the 5/1, but they both Fierce anyway. And noone plays the 5/1 blue one And then if you wanna save him in combat you'd have to kill your Dante with another safe. I *would* however sacrifice him to block something to buy a day. Any of the bosses, for example. I use Teddy V as income, and don't even worry about his special at all and go on with the game. Until late game when I want more options. Teddy V is a hell of a lot better than Plentiful crap even if it's not +2 income
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Post by thest4lker on Mar 26, 2012 2:06:10 GMT -5
I use Teddy in exactly the same way as Tuism. If your strategy involves trying to use him as your main scoring option, you are probably going to get killed, he takes to long. But he's great as a zero cost resource boost/blocker. and if you end up against a discard or blue counter deck, having the +4/4 option on a teddy already on the table is invaluable later in the game
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Post by rha737 on Mar 26, 2012 3:14:50 GMT -5
hahah of course he's not a main scoring option, but it's just a nice option to have sitting around especially in the early game when creature plays are slow.
i too 97% of the time play teddy Vs just like you two: get the income then let them occupy an enemy creature for a key time (ie. let your lanz score)
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 1, 2012 3:25:04 GMT -5
I'd replace 5 Court Order by 3 Untimely End. I'd remove 1 or 2 Lucrezia. I'd add 2 Tactical Up & 1 Leonardo Da Vinci.
You have tons of ressources, so you need a slightly better draw power.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 1, 2012 8:04:10 GMT -5
After some work on it, here is my version of the same concept:
- 2x Theodor Viscardi - 1x Dante Moro - 2x Cesare borgia - 2x Lucrezia Borgia - 4x Leonardo dea Vinci
- 5x By Order of the King - 5x Knowledge is Power - 3x Tactical Upheaval - 5x forced Inheritance - 4x Sudden Exhaustion - 3x Scientific Espionnage - 5x Preemptive Strike - 4x Royal Decree
I'm counting more on the good drawing power/tutor than you to allow more different cards in the deck. It should also be a little more complex to play.
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Post by Tuism on Apr 1, 2012 8:20:44 GMT -5
Good points, I'll play with your suggestions and see. Your version is a bit more control than mine, mine was going for more aggression
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Post by The Rancord on Apr 1, 2012 9:16:23 GMT -5
Wow the first green/blue list apart of mine that uses the very good royal decree
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Post by gamemaestro on Apr 1, 2012 9:45:00 GMT -5
Bronto - I think yours may be stronger against the majority of decks but I think that Tuism's is tougher for counter/discard. Either one should win the vast majority against the decks you'll see at the moment (although I like Royal Decree to handle the noob site decks)
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