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Post by Diomedia on Apr 23, 2012 15:38:14 GMT -5
This is the current version of a deck I've been tweaking for a bit. The name comes from the sweet spot when you hit 7 gold and things start flying. It's can be a slowish builder but if your draw isn't the best, but theres enough late game power and tricks there to compensate. It's probably not an easy deck to play and it requires quite a bit of descision making to play, I've been playing it for a while now so I don't know. Agents 4 x Honest Worker (was originally pilfer supplies but HW is much more versatile ) 4 x Caterina Sforza ( key card ) 4 x Patrizio ( 7 cost 5/4 fierce!, why pay 3 more gold for 1 health?  ) 4 x Lorenzo ( aim to get him after 20 income @ 10/10 ) 3 x Il Carnifice ( The Finisher ) Sites 5 x Tax Collectors Office ( pure income boost, but stack them in the same region or use to negate opp sites ) Actions 5 x Political Patronage 5 x Forced Inheritance 3 x Order of the King 4 x Tactical Upheavel 4 x Copy Cat ( Use offensively or defensively, I often use it to copy an opp big site and cast in same region combos well with premptive ) 5 x Preemptive Strike So your aim is to get to 20 gold ASAP and get your Lorenzo's out. Caterina is used to take out key enemy agents and soak up counters. Patrizio is a counter magnet too, this is fine as if they leave your Caterinas and counter your Patrizios, then you can still get your fatties down. Copy Cat , use it to copy your agents to negate counters or sudden exhausts or copy opp sites, papal, in depth etc. copy then counter with premptive is an like an expensive version of scientific espionage , but when your at 25-30 income it's perfectly reasonable Ive played quite a few forum members with this deck and have had good results. It's far from perfect but I get a good ratio with it, even after the Market Place. Let me know what you think, improvements etc 
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Post by Blind_Angel_(Juelette) on Apr 24, 2012 2:19:20 GMT -5
why worker not dama ? you need 20 income, dama much more better in that case( imho in all cases).
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Post by UnCL0NED on Apr 24, 2012 2:48:57 GMT -5
I love the idea. I've been wanting to play Caterina in a deck now for a while. My copy deck is okay, but it is not ideal. This looks like the type of deck she fits in perfectly. Play her early to make the opponent think about what to play, until you have enough income to play your own fatties. I'm just not sure about Order of the King in this deck. It seems you have a lot of big agents, so you won't be having any problems having a few in your hand later in the game, when you only have the income for them. I will check this deck out, myself!
@blind_Angel I see what you're saying but I think in this deck it's not a bad choice. There's a lot of big stuff, so you need to get back up to a lot of income fast! Have you ever tried Honest Worker? It's really an underrated card...
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Post by Blind_Angel_(Juelette) on Apr 24, 2012 3:51:20 GMT -5
I've made mistake, i think of young farmer. worker good card, i don't use it now, but i don't play such decks.
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Post by Tuism on Apr 24, 2012 4:04:43 GMT -5
Honest worker is brilliant in a copy deck, I've ran him in my own copy decks. Slower start, but he just keeps the pummeling going so well.
The income curve is quite different from what I am used to. I prefer earlier smaller boosts rather than stuff like tax collector's office. Other income cards to consider here... Dama Rasa, Rare Art Merch (+1 to Dama but slower), Order of King > Teodore combo (income income + future possible 4/4)
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Post by madstryfe on Apr 24, 2012 6:04:40 GMT -5
Agreed, Honest Worker is a great card for a copy deck. that suprise +3 gold is so important for cards like Clothes Makes the Man, Quick Study or even to give you that last bit of boost to drop your San Gimigiano. If I had to compare it, it's like having a reusable PP agent.
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Post by Diomedia on Apr 24, 2012 8:01:43 GMT -5
Hmm I never thought to try Theodore, I'll try it! Yea this is the first time I used honest worker, I saw some other people playing it and I noticed how it was helping them pump,out agents. I like it, it's perfect for this deck 
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Post by rl on Apr 24, 2012 8:15:43 GMT -5
I think this will inspire me to try and use honest worker again.. I used him in my first couple of decks when I started playing ACR and just sorta forgot about him since then 
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Post by UnCL0NED on Apr 25, 2012 2:41:15 GMT -5
So I tried your deck yesterday and it is a bit hit and miss. If it kicks in, it's unstoppable!  But I've been beaten also by a variety of different types of decks. Rush seems to pose a problem sometimes (if you don't have the right cards in the beginning) and I also got beaten down by copy/draw decks 2 times... But I think it has a lot of potential. If Teo works, let me know, I'll update it and check again. It is fun to play this deck and I also think an opening hand with PP and Forced Inheritance together with Honest Worker is awesome 
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Post by Diomedia on Apr 25, 2012 11:23:24 GMT -5
Yep it is sometimes hard to get going if the draw isn't there. I've not played many copy decks with it but the ones I have tend to steal your fatties, which is fine  there at 5/5 while I'm at 10/10. A more experienced player would steal my preemptives I guess. Agent rushes tend to be close affairs,(my favourite  if I see a Theif rush I'll be making good use of Caterina for Lanz. militant rushes tend to be a bit slower so I can afford to wait till il Carnifice is out. Noble rushes, use Caterina for Carlo/Heiress/Cesare then aim to get Lorenzo/il Carnifice out, using tact Upheavel for switching donato/Dante/Theodore Discard tend to make you lose your fatties but then they struggle to deal with Caterina and Patrizio. Also , when delving into the archives they tend to go for Lorenzo or Carnifice 1st, no problem for me. Site rushes depend on copy cat / premptive. Just negate their big sites by copying it, also timely use of tax collectors. It's weak in the 1st couple of days, But when you hit the sweetspot, it's unstoppable. By then your pumping out 10 power agents so you can usually recover. I'll keep testing, I've not tried Theodore yet, I'm going to but I don't want to take out order of the King, sometimes getting all your Caterinas down quick is invaluable.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 25, 2012 23:39:05 GMT -5
Any Malfatto deck would crush it, I think. But it is a good deck anyway.
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Post by Diomedia on Apr 26, 2012 11:32:00 GMT -5
Ive not really come up against any decks like Malfetto yet, just standard rushes , sites copy and combos. It certainly has its weaknesses 
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Post by Diomedia on Jun 23, 2012 15:35:59 GMT -5
So I got to this deck to try and improve it and it's got a whole lot faster, Forum of the Ox and sueliman, it accelerates so fast I don't need honest worker any more or The mid cost agents , I need to rename it lucky number 10
Edit,: not sueliman , salem? , sueliman is in there but he's not key
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