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Post by Altaem on May 11, 2012 2:08:31 GMT -5
Despite the name, this deck doesn't contain the Militia Horseman, Horse Merchant or Stables. It's a reflection on the play style. You take your time, form up the ranks and then thunder across the battlefield in a single devastating sweep.
Revised based of suggestions and experience. This is a very powerful deck and my usual choice if I play a second game against the same opponent.
Core Concept:
5 x Beautiful Heiress
5 x Charles De La Motte
5 x Just Cause
5 x Clothes Make the Man
Income:
5 x Plentiful Crop
5 x By Order of the King
5 x Teodor Viscardi (was 4)
4 x Dante Moro
5 x Forced Inheritance (was 4)
More Nobles:
5 x Arquebusier (was 4)
5 x Donato Mancini (was 4)
Counter:
5 x Court Order
Almost every card here is individually cheap junk. This make the deck very resistant to discard and card copying/stealing.
However they share a very potent synergy. Almost any combination of cards results in a strength far greater than the individual parts.
Play Style:
To begin with sit back and drink tea. Plan the attack. Play only your income cards. Save your coins, resist the temptation to launch lone agents, they will only get themselves killed.
Once you have 9 wealth launch 3 agents together. Odds are only one will be countered. Charge across the board. The objective here is to get back alive, stay in HQ if it's not safe.
When your cash is back at 9 again play Just Cause duplicated by Clothes Make the Man. All your little Nobles are now top end killers. ( Charles De La Motte is often 12/9 by now. ) Win.
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Post by UnCL0NED on May 11, 2012 2:36:21 GMT -5
Key to your deck is your play-style. I think a lot of players would play all these agents individually. They are often too eager to start spamming lone agents. Your style is very correct! Try the same with a thieves deck and I assure you, you will have similar results. Concerning your deck in general: -What is your answer to site rush decks? -Wouldn't you rather play an extra Forced Inheritance over Plentiful Crop? -If Teodor is just for Income I would replace him with Dama Rosa... She will get you much faster to your target... (edit: I see now you need a noble. use her if you also use Man of the People) -Also in your play-style you might consider Pilfer Supplies. -And have you considered Man of the People over Just Cause. It's a bit more expensive, but I think more bang for your buck! Overall I like your deck a lot. I was a bit averse to Order rush decks for a while (not exotic enough I guess), but I seem to like it more and more, again.  Thanks for sharing! |
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Post by Tuism on May 11, 2012 2:43:20 GMT -5
I like the way you've described it But why hold back on launching agents? If you're playing someone with counters/agent removal, they'll not be able to spend them if you're dropping nothing, and having them countered one at a time isn't worse off for you than dropping 3 and having one countered. You can start the attack earlier and get a few extra points. Plus if you're playing against a wipe, dropping it one at a time will maybe get your opponent to waste a wipe. You gotta read the game and decide, but I don't think waiting when you have 7 income, 7 gold and don't have anything else to spend your gold on is a good strat. Otherwise a good Noble rush. I would swap Plentiful to By Order. If you wanna boost desperately go for the creme de la creme of order boost - Forced Inheritance. |
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Post by Altaem on May 11, 2012 3:45:35 GMT -5
Q: What is your answer to site rush decks?
A: Loose. I don't find it fun to play answer to everything decks.
Q: Wouldn't you rather play an extra Forced Inheritance over Plentiful Crop?
A: Hmm... you're probably right.
Q: If Teodor is just for Income I would replace him with Dama Rosa
A: Teodor becomes very important in the rare games where the deck chokes. Turning him into a 4/4 while waiting for reinforcements is handy. Also he tends to draw minor counter cards.
Q: Consider Pilfer Supplies?
A: That could be very useful, but it's hardly a cheap card. I don't think I even own 5 of them. (Scratch that, they've dropped in price. I'll give them a go.)
Q: Man of the People over Just Cause
A: In almost every other deck I run MotP. JC has the advantage here that I don't care if it gets stolen by an opponent, most cant use it. It's surprising how much easier it is to raise 7(9) compared to 9(11).
Q: But why hold back on launching agents?
A: It varies on the game. If they're running pure counter it makes no difference. Against a mixed deck few opponents have idle cash for more than one counter. By launching together you maximize the chance of a heiress or Charles getting through. It's often a good idea to play Arquebusier and Donato early, sometimes just to be countered.
Q: I would swap Plentiful to By Order
A: Haven't tried that as I don't really care which agents I get, but it maintains hand size so I'll give it a go.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on May 11, 2012 3:55:48 GMT -5
But why hold back on launching agents? If you're playing someone with counters/agent removal, they'll not be able to spend them if you're dropping nothing, and having them countered one at a time isn't worse off for you than dropping 3 and having one countered. You can start the attack earlier and get a few extra points. Because your opponent will likely only have cash to play one counter. Not because he doesn't have three in his hand. |
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Post by Tuism on May 11, 2012 4:31:48 GMT -5
But why hold back on launching agents? If you're playing someone with counters/agent removal, they'll not be able to spend them if you're dropping nothing, and having them countered one at a time isn't worse off for you than dropping 3 and having one countered. You can start the attack earlier and get a few extra points. Because your opponent will likely only have cash to play one counter. Not because he doesn't have three in his hand. If you have 9 open gold and playing nothing, would your opponent not have 9 income and at least 4 gold to drop 2 counters? cos that's what he'd need to counter 2 of them |
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Post by Altaem on May 11, 2012 19:55:50 GMT -5
Because your opponent will likely only have cash to play one counter. Not because he doesn't have three in his hand. If you have 9 open gold and playing nothing, would your opponent not have 9 income and at least 4 gold to drop 2 counters? cos that's what he'd need to counter 2 of them No on both counts. As this deck goes pure income at the begining I'd expect my opponent to be poorer. Also how many people carry 2 gold counters, much less have 2 of them in their hand. Your scenario would be unfortunate but is increadibly unlikely. I've revised my deck following some suggestions and it's getting quite effective. Unfortunately it looks like I'll have to abandon the deck due to bugs. Should have walked over both my last two opponents but my agents strength were miscalculated and they became close battles. |
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on May 12, 2012 4:37:06 GMT -5
Should have walked over both my last two opponents but my agents strength were miscalculated and they became close battles. Can you elaborate? |
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Post by Altaem on May 12, 2012 11:32:05 GMT -5
Bug 1: many nobles on field. I'm launching a 2nd Heiress which will very soon add +1 power to all my nobles. Heiress is countered before arriving. All my nobles suffered -1 power, presumably the one provided by my still living heiress. Only happened once, will try to capture it if it repeats.
Bug 2: Charles should have power/health equal to the total Nobles I have in play. This works on launch and drops each time another noble dies. However it often ( not sure on always ) doesn't increase when I play a new noble. I have a few screen shots of Charles with incorrect power/health.
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Post by Tuism on May 12, 2012 12:28:06 GMT -5
I find that half the "have" abilities are buggy, I think we have had these bugs in the bug list, please add your report there with screenshots, it will be helpful, I think. Thanks |
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Post by Altaem on May 20, 2012 10:11:07 GMT -5
Still playing this deck as my primary. Although its starting to look a bit different, must remember to edit my original post from my pc some time. Tuism was right about By Order, it made a huge difference.
Had an awesome mirror match tonight. Not sure if they played worse than me or simply had a bad hand.
Was amusing to see them using Clothes to copy my By Order twice.
More amusing when I was saving for the Just Cause + Clothes combo and they saved my the trouble by playing their own Cause.
In the end my agents killed all their agents with no losses, having the advantage of one more Cause.
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Post by Altaem on Jun 18, 2012 2:26:41 GMT -5
Finally got around to updating my original post.
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Post by xpingoo on Jun 18, 2012 5:03:23 GMT -5
No dante?
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Post by Altaem on Jun 18, 2012 7:04:59 GMT -5
Nope, killing power is more important than survival. Can't afford to have agents sitting on the side lines.
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Post by rl on Jun 18, 2012 8:03:57 GMT -5
Altaem why not use preemtive strike instead of court order. I haven't played the deck so I'm not sure if That 4 cost is necessary.
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