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Post by albestar on Jun 1, 2012 9:02:18 GMT -5
Love the ACII trilogy and recently discovered this gem. Best ccg to ever touch a cpu!
I'm thinking of a deck idea built around threat ability and sites focused on quick influence. Threat is meant to stop opponent agents while sites score.
Here's the first version, the deck still lacks focus, goes in too many directions.
That's why I'm asking help from ACR veterans!
What do you think could be good fixes?
Here's some thoughts: add big influence sites like Forli, add more threath agents to block (5 Lanz?), add some more card removal agents (5 Ezio?), add more memories to stop agents decks (like no rest for the wicked or better 5 lassitude?), add more income boosts (Rosa in fiore?), remove some card drawing (too many?), add some combos (like memories that work with sites), remove all 5 Discreet calling?
Prestigious colledge x5
Smuggler's warehouse x5 (10 sites for quick scoring)
Scholar's den x2
Assassins guild
San Gimignano
Palazzo library x2 (for bouncing sites with skills like assassin guild)
Discreet calling x5 (income bonus)
Vicious sneak attack x2
No rest for the wicked x2 (hard to decide which one is better in this deck)
Lassitude x2
Plentiful crop x4
Knowledge is power x3
Forced charity (needs at least another for sure)
Quick study
Lanz x3
Ugo x5 (Lanz is better but Ugo has much needed income bonus!)
Antonio de Magianis
Ezio assassin x2
Amerigo Vespucci
La Volpe (yes, both are threatless agent, but one is a good blocker, other gives bonus just in case you want to score with agents)
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Post by TemplarTyler on Jun 1, 2012 14:30:30 GMT -5
"add more threat agents to block"
Your using the threat agents to block?
You should add more Vespucci's to block, and use Lanz and co for what they do best... score.
If you want the agents to just block instead of threat agents you may want cunning agents? threats are very useful to score blocking with them will lose you some great scorers.... especially Lanz.
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Post by albestar on Jun 1, 2012 15:11:46 GMT -5
whops I used the wrong word, for blockers I mean agents that can neutralize almost every other agent. With a 1/1 threat like Lanz you can take out even big ones, so I see them as blockers in this sense, but better say killers. Vespucci is a proper blocker. Sorry for that!
In the deck they should be used to prevent opponent to score with agents (of course) and to neutralize them at the same time. The focus is not on scoring with agents so no big issue if they have low attack power as Ugo or Lanz.
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Post by TemplarTyler on Jun 1, 2012 15:22:12 GMT -5
Ahh, So you mean to play the Lanz and for the opponent to block Lanz and co?
I am not the best person for advice... But I think you may want Cunning and Recover agents... they would help block threats and officals, The more experienced players will not needlessly (Unless it is abosolutely necessary) throw the 5/5 and co agents out the window... they will just wait for Lanz to finish and then score while he is resting
Unless I am missing something?
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Post by albestar on Jun 1, 2012 16:28:54 GMT -5
thanks, good advice to consider cunning or recover agents!
My strategy is to block with Ugo and Lanz when opponent attacks but yes as you observe not easy to lure him, I'm always waiting for him to put on the board his big hitters
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Post by albestar on Jun 2, 2012 9:33:45 GMT -5
replaced a plentiful crop with a rosa in fiore (one more site to use with library), added 2 x cento occhi footpad (+2 income) and a lair of romulus (took out magianis, 1 scholar's den, quick study).
Maybe I need to focus more on income boosters that give some real advantages, even if a bit slower.
Still undecided about adding or replacing agents or better focus on 'stasis' actions like lassitude.
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Post by Tuism on Jun 2, 2012 13:45:29 GMT -5
Income boosters with an alternate function - or better yet self replacing by not giving up one card advantage - are very important in all but the rushiest rush decks. There's an article about income booster mistakes in the academy sub-board, you should check it out, very informative.
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Post by albestar on Jun 3, 2012 7:42:41 GMT -5
Read the articles on the academy, very helpful.
Thing is, if you played MTG in the past when you see a card that costs 0 and gives you resources instantly seems a must have.
But this is ACR...no black lotuses here!
I took out all the pl.crop and put another cento occhi (thief + resources), one Paola (unused resources mid game go into eating up opponent score and she has +1) and another forced charity (not easy to tell the balance between this and the green one, +2 looks too good).
Still hard to know which path to go, focus on agents or on events like lassitude to stop enemy.
And still not sure if the selection of sites is good enough, the big ones
(Romulus, Forli, etc.) seems to come too late to the game and the opponent can take them down as easily as the others.
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Post by thest4lker on Jun 3, 2012 12:09:46 GMT -5
Mmmm, not sure you will find this comment super helpful, but I'm not sure I like the thief/threat/small-medium site synergy. I don't think it gives great threat overload. If I think about this deck it seems that if I replace the agents with some strong sites it can win quicker (and blow through anti site), and if I replace the sites with some la volpe, Antonio and Mario it will give great agent threat plus good control. As it is now i think you run the risk of loosing to someone with a smattering of anti-site and even one or two decent blockers...
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Post by albestar on Jun 4, 2012 18:00:01 GMT -5
Latest incarnation seems more solid,
scoring sites:
prestigious college x5
smuggler's warehouse x5
San Gimignano
Lair of Romulus x2
other sites:
Monteriggioni
Rosa in Fiore
palazzo library
actions:
no rest for the wicked x2
vicious sneak attack x2
discreet calling x5
knowledge is power x3
forced charity x2
lassitude x5
agents:
Ezio assassin x2
Lanz x3
Ugo x5
Paola
Cento occhi footpad x2
Amerigo Vespucci
La volpe
lassitude is now x5 (seems good to 'clear' board from rush agents decks) and there are some other sites to score (maybe I'll add a Forli but looks too slow).
Still want to change agents selection, maybe focus only on thieves with threat (I know, I'm stubborn) and the 2 Ezio to have some removal. There are other tweaks to consider too of course, like 2 sneak attack instead of the 2 no rest for or add a forced charity taking out a knowledge is power.
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Post by thest4lker on Jun 5, 2012 2:00:16 GMT -5
I'm order to add more focus to this deck you will need to look at your income situation. 5 discreet calling, 3 knowledge is power and 2 forced charity is always going to leave you slow, especially when you add 5 smugglers warehouse and 2 lair of Romulus which are dropping your income. Because of this you are forced into using a smattering of other income + effect cards, which are not bad, but are disrupting the flow of the deck because you can never be sure what you are going to draw: 1 rosa in fiore, 2 no rest, 2 vicious sneak attack, 2 footpad, 5 Ugo. I'm not sure what your card pool is like, but an extra 2 knowledge is power and even 1 forced charity (I don't have 5 either), and dropping rosa and either no rest or vicious sneak attack, will give you more consistency. With the threat from lanz and Ugo, plus Amerigo (if you can manage to draw him) you will already be dealing with a lot of agent issues. The lair of Romulus does add more threat which I like, but you've dropped assassin guild. That's fine if you want a more rush orientated deck, but then 5 lassitude and Amerigo don't really fit...
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