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Post by ayjona on Jul 10, 2012 21:56:40 GMT -5
Inspired by Ringel's by now probably world-renowned (among the few hundreds of dedicated players who make up the world of AC:R, that is  ) I am the 0.99, I am working my way towards the end of the challenges of the original campaign (with the end goal of playing AC:R online, if not competitively, then at least semi-frequently and regularly). So far, I've spent all my credits on Templar packs, and I've reached the point where every new pack only yields about 1-3 new cards, with 3 being a less common occurrence. Which brings me to my first question, for those with the experience of enjoying AC:R in the cheapest way possible: should I keep spending all my Animus on templar packs through all the challenges, or do I move on to purchasing Mixed and Assassin packs? (Further complicating the issue is that I couldn't resist the challenge to buy some Revelations Templar packs and get me some Domination goodness, and have thus not spent all my Animus strictly on original Templar packs.) Secondly, with all above in mind: once I move on to Revelations, do I follow the same pattern of spending credits strictly on Templar packs? |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jul 10, 2012 22:15:59 GMT -5
Keep buying Templar decks, including Revelation ones, until you got nothing new. Then switch to Assassin packs.
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Post by ayjona on Jul 10, 2012 22:55:14 GMT -5
Keep buying Templar decks, including Revelation ones, until you got nothing new. Then switch to Assassin packs. That was what I was hoping for. It's more fun to purchase (and subsequently open) packs often Thanks! |
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Post by Altaem on Jul 10, 2012 23:31:26 GMT -5
A week ago the average value of a Templar pack was 120 credits while Assassins packs only 760 credits.
Unless you're putting real money in its not worth buying Assassin packs, simply buy the cards you need from the market.
I've opened ~20 Assassin packs. It doesn't stop me from having nearly 5 copies of every card.
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Post by jeremyat on Jul 11, 2012 8:17:46 GMT -5
@ Altaem: That's because you play the market as well. I've posted a number of times about this, but I think buying assassin packs is the way to go--you can usually make up around 200-300 credits (at least) from the uncommons and commons you get in the packs. Then you can use your 500 daily credits to get another assassin pack that day or early the next day. That way you're getting an assassin rare a day to a day-and-a-half or so (and potentially an awesome one). That's opposed to, say, saving for eight days to buy a political patronage and only having one rare card to show for your hours and hours of grinding.
Of course, you could always play the market as well. It's tightened up and slowed down a good bit, but it doesn't take much investment to get going. I started investing in the market with 100 credits a few days after the revelations expansion came out and made around 10000 credits by the end of the weekend. It's not that crazy anymore--especially because I was one of only a couple doing it at that point in time and there are lots of folks playing the market now--but you can still make a good deal of credits. I focus on the uncommons and some of the higher-priced commons--you've got to be paying attention 24/7 if you want to sell rares. Even with playing the market, I still like to buy packs as opposed to specific rares unless there's an individual rare I need. It's just more fun that way.
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Post by Diomedia on Jul 11, 2012 10:06:30 GMT -5
I didn't really use the market much to buy until Revalations came out as I had almost 5 of every card, I invested quite a lot in Recollection.
I'm far from having 5 of everything now and I'm slowly working my way towards a complete set. I have found that I can pick up good uncommons that I need for cheap, like between 2 and 10. But obviously a lot of people are playing the market and dictating prices so it pays to check everyday and see if you can pick up any bargains.
If your far from having a complete recollection set , I'd Definately take a look on the market because for 100 credits , you can get at least 50 cards towards your collection, which beats a Templar pack anyday. If I was you I'd buy 2-10 cost of the market until you have them all, if I would have just started the game that's what I would do anyway, your daily 500 will go a long way to a point.
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Post by ayjona on Jul 11, 2012 13:25:55 GMT -5
Hmm, two interesting perspectives I did not consider. @ Altaem: That's because you play the market as well. I've posted a number of times about this, but I think buying assassin packs is the way to go--you can usually make up around 200-300 credits (at least) from the uncommons and commons you get in the packs. Then you can use your 500 daily credits to get another assassin pack that day or early the next day. That way you're getting an assassin rare a day to a day-and-a-half or so (and potentially an awesome one). That's opposed to, say, saving for eight days to buy a political patronage and only having one rare card to show for your hours and hours of grinding. So your advice would be to start buying Assassin packs with the credits I earn from the single player experience? Of course, you could always play the market as well. It's tightened up and slowed down a good bit, but it doesn't take much investment to get going. I started investing in the market with 100 credits a few days after the revelations expansion came out and made around 10000 credits by the end of the weekend. It's not that crazy anymore--especially because I was one of only a couple doing it at that point in time and there are lots of folks playing the market now--but you can still make a good deal of credits. I focus on the uncommons and some of the higher-priced commons--you've got to be paying attention 24/7 if you want to sell rares. Even with playing the market, I still like to buy packs as opposed to specific rares unless there's an individual rare I need. It's just more fun that way. This is an aspect of AC:R I did not consider, and would probably thoroughly enjoy. Any advice on how to play the market, or do you prefer to keep your trade secrets to yourself, for greater future gain? Do you learn the standard prices of the popular commons, uncommons and rares, skulk about the marketplace until you see any of them drop in price, purchase, and then post for sale directly, for a considerable gain? Or do you simply compare sell and buy orders, until you find an item that you can purchase and sell directly for a profit? Both? Other, more intricate and Assassin-like methods?  I didn't really use the market much to buy until Revalations came out as I had almost 5 of every card, I invested quite a lot in Recollection. I'm far from having 5 of everything now and I'm slowly working my way towards a complete set. I have found that I can pick up good uncommons that I need for cheap, like between 2 and 10. But obviously a lot of people are playing the market and dictating prices so it pays to check everyday and see if you can pick up any bargains. If your far from having a complete recollection set , I'd Definately take a look on the market because for 100 credits , you can get at least 50 cards towards your collection, which beats a Templar pack anyday. If I was you I'd buy 2-10 cost of the market until you have them all, if I would have just started the game that's what I would do anyway, your daily 500 will go a long way to a point. Another way to go that I did not think of at all. Sounds like really clever advice. So, basically, forego the chances of good or high-priced rares and uncommons in Templar packs for a while, and simply purchase away at cheaps cards in the market, until I have more or less a complete collection of all low-priced cards in the game? (With rather few of the single player challenges left, and Revelations rewarding me with cards instead of credits, I'm afraid I might not have many credits left until I have to start earning from online play, ready or not. But all above-mentioned methods do, of course, work equally well regardless of the source of the creits ) |
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Post by Ringel on Jul 11, 2012 14:48:37 GMT -5
Playing the market is basically "by low, sell high". Market players will look for spots with good gaps between the low and high prices (usually rares or hot commodity uncommons) and offer to buy just above the highest buy offer and (if they have a card to sell) offer to sell just below the lowest sell offer.
It is pretty time consuming, because you should update your offers fairly frequently and should work with a lot of cards to make a decent amount of money (and cover your losses).
I don't really have the time for it (occasionally I'll buy a bargain priced card to sell if I stumble across it), but the people who do can make a solid amount of credits.
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Post by jeremyat on Jul 11, 2012 15:22:57 GMT -5
ayjona: I agree with Ringel's basic premise that the market is essentially buy low and sell high. It's not too complicated. Basically, you identify cards with a significant gap in prices on the sell side and the buy side of the market. For example, Knowledge is Power is currently around 100-150 credits per offer to buy the card and 275-300 per offer to sell the card. I simply up the offer on the highest current buy offer by a few credits and wait to see if someone sells me the card. Once I purchase the card, I offer to sell the card on the other side of the market for a few credits lower than the lowest current offer. While Ringel is right that you have to watch the market, it's not as time-consuming as you would think. A lot of the time, I will just leave my offers out there because I think they're appropriate values for the cards. Sometimes I'm wrong, but a lot of the time the market will come back to you. For example, magnetic personality (at last check) was down to around 150 credits. I've got offers up for 245 credits--the lowest bid when I posted it. I think it's a very valuable (and helpful) card, and I think the price will come back up. So I'm going to leave the card as it is and avoid cutting myself down 100 credits just to get a sale. Others have differing strategies. Ukhlim (I hope I'm spelling that right) will typically go one credit above or below an offer. Altaem will increase or decrease an offer by several credits to (presumably) make his offer look more attractive. I tend to fall somewhere in the middle and use both strategies where appropriate. As I said, I stick to commons and uncommons primarily. I try to buy and sell commons that have around ten credits' difference between the highest and lowest buy and and sell offers. These tend to be cards like plentiful crop (still!), den defense, and paola. The same thing applies for uncommons, but around 30 credits or so is usually around the minimum I'll go hunting for them. If you can afford it, there are some uncommons that are really worth your time and effort: knowledge is power, quick study, magnetic personality, clothes make the man, mysterious stranger, etc., can all net you around 50-200 credits in profit. I think Ringel's statement of constantly having to update your offers applies most forcefully in the case of rares because of how infrequently rares are bought and sold. Most of the time, the individuals involved are just undercutting each other to no effect because no one's actually doing any buying or selling. If you don't want to get too invested in the market, I still say that buying packs and selling your excess cards is the way to go, especially with revelations assassin boosters. Suleiman, for example, will go for around 350-400 credits in a heartbeat. I think you will lose money if you try to sell everything you get out of a pack, but you can make getting new cards (and the complete set) a lot easier by buying packs as opposed to buying individual cards. I agree that it doesn't make much sense to do it for templar boosters, though. You can usually buy most any templar common for a credit or two and the uncommons for not much more. Even some of the rares are really cheap. Happy hunting!
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Post by jeremyat on Jul 11, 2012 16:06:35 GMT -5
One last thing. It is extremely difficult and annoying to play the market on an iPhone. If you don't have an iPad, don't play the market.
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Post by Altaem on Jul 12, 2012 10:55:49 GMT -5
There's no money to be made on the market. Some clown will keep trumping your offers until there's no profit remaining.
You're far better off opening lots of packs and selling the cards to me. *
* Note conflict of interest in my advice. There's room for maybe 4 people to play the market using my technique.
For easy credits trade only in Crime uncommons, they make 500 credits every day with zero risk. I don't bother with them anymore. Too time intensive.
For best prices on slow cards sell at Gmt 12:00 and restock at Gmt 16:00.
Templar rares are currently averaging just over 110 credits. I'm considering just opening a bunch of packs.
What am I doing? I could have made 200 credits in the time it took to compose this.
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Post by Tuism on Jul 12, 2012 12:32:51 GMT -5
Lol you enthusiastic traders thanks for filling the market with activity |
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) I am the 0.99, I am working my way towards the end of the challenges of the original campaign (with the end goal of playing AC:R online, if not competitively, then at least semi-frequently and regularly). So far, I've spent all my credits on Templar packs, and I've reached the point where every new pack only yields about 1-3 new cards, with 3 being a less common occurrence.
