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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Nov 7, 2012 19:22:43 GMT -5
Hey, it's been quite some time since I've played and even longer since I've posted...got a bit bored after over-playing the game and got headaches from staring at the screen for too long. But whatever...I've been playing a little again and the new cards have definitely taken a lot of getting used to. I did experience something tonight that I'm REALLY confused about, though.
I played a competitive match against another player who I've consistently lost against tonight. In other matches they always seemed to have the right card available at all times...I hate those kinds of matches, because I wanna moan about cheating even though the truth is typically just that the player has a good deck and is good at the game. But the good thing is seeing what this player did let me understand how the new cards work.
Anyway, inspired by the new cards (deceptive and dominance are cool now that I know how they work), I bought several in the marketplace in order to play a cheaper purple deck like one of the decks this player used against me. I ended up in a match against him again and thought both oh great and this should be interesting. He was playing some kind of green black draw power/control deck. He was still playing all of his draw power cards, I had 3 agents out, 8 points in one region, and had just put a land in another region. I played a 2 power agent in the region with 8 points and had just put my Dama on my Art Gallery region, so I had a fair chance of winning. I took a glance at the archive to see one of the cards that had been used, because he had two draw power cards still cooking in his action slots which gave me some time, when suddenly my Art Gallery disappeared (it was not launching and there were no erase/neutralize cards in the archive after it happened either...I checked). And as I was checking to see why my land disappeared, 2 of my agents disappeared and he suddenly blocks my third with a 5/5 Ezio thief. He hadn't put ANY cards in his headquarters...it seemed like it just suddenly appeared to block mine.
Is there some glitch with the purple cards I don't know about? Or have people found new ways of cheating that I don't know about? I want to assume that I'm just missing something big...I know I miss seeing what the surprise cards are most the time now because it happens so fast, but the problem is that my cards literally just disappeared without warning while his cards were launching and taking up all of his slots. And this happened right as I was about to win. I dropped out of the match because it was just way too strange. Can someone help?
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Post by lurifaxb on Nov 8, 2012 0:07:50 GMT -5
Hi. It could be Ezio Mentor. He deploys as a surprise and makes all of players cards deploy as a surprise. He could have used agents that neutralize agents/sites or launching agents/sites. Cards like Mario or Giovanni becomes counters when Ezio mentor is down.
I hardly think it is a cheat thing. I have never seen evidence of cheat or expected it. It is likely just the new cards ability and Ezio mentor that players need to understand.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Nov 8, 2012 9:29:55 GMT -5
Yep, there are a lot of new cards and strategies with the release of the revelations expansion. I suggest you check-out acr.haddr.com/. An excellent new card list with the ability to select cards with certain features as well. |
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Post by coolkendude on Nov 8, 2012 11:13:25 GMT -5
Anyway, inspired by the new cards (deceptive and dominance are cool now that I know how they work), I bought several in the marketplace in order to play a cheaper purple deck like one of the decks this player used against me. I ended up in a match against him again and thought both oh great and this should be interesting. He was playing some kind of green black draw power/control deck. He was still playing all of his draw power cards, I had 3 agents out, 8 points in one region, and had just put a land in another region. I played a 2 power agent in the region with 8 points and had just put my Dama on my Art Gallery region, so I had a fair chance of winning. I took a glance at the archive to see one of the cards that had been used, because he had two draw power cards still cooking in his action slots which gave me some time, when suddenly my Art Gallery disappeared (it was not launching and there were no erase/neutralize cards in the archive after it happened either...I checked). And as I was checking to see why my land disappeared, 2 of my agents disappeared and he suddenly blocks my third with a 5/5 Ezio thief. He hadn't put ANY cards in his headquarters...it seemed like it just suddenly appeared to block mine. That is really weird the way you had the events in play... Is the Ezio Thief you mentioned the original Ezio Assassin (10-cost, who can neutralize either an Agent or Site) or is it the new Ezio Mentor (15-cost, the one who makes all your memories a Surprise)? I'm with Luri on this one... I haven't seen anything that can't be explained by the cards being played. My guess is that, while you were looking at the archive, he played Ezio Mentor making all his memories a Surprise (and since that card is a little dark, you may have not noticed it in his HQ immediately once you were finished viewing the Archive). Then to take out your Art Gallery and Agents without putting any other Agent in his HQ, he probably played Secret Headquarters (Site that can neutralize another Site), then played 2 Assassin Guilds (Site that neutralizes the highest cost Agent of opponent) to take out your 2 Agents. Then blocked your remaining Agent with Ezio Mentor. That is the only way I can explain what happened without him putting any Agents in his HQ and without him putting any Action cards in the Archive. I hope that helps - and Ezio Mentor really is a game-changer if you are not prepared for him. |
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Post by lurifaxb on Nov 8, 2012 11:27:12 GMT -5
When reading your deception again I vaguely remember a match like this. Could you have played me?
I have 3 decks that can do what you describe. All using Ezio mentor. One is a media variant (kills all sites with Rossi) that uses Ezio mentor. The deck is posted in the competitive section. Site killer I think it is called.
The other decks have scholar and uses site killers such as secret catacombs and agent killers such as assassins guild and assassins stronghold.
All these decks can kill your cards on table in a short time when Ezio mentor comes out.
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Post by lurifaxb on Nov 8, 2012 12:57:10 GMT -5
And some cards grant next cards surprise. Such as militia intimidation. It is possible this was cast first. Then Ezio assassin comes down as a react (killing your site) and then blocks your agent.
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Nov 8, 2012 15:12:18 GMT -5
I doubt it was a cheat as well...like I said, the way surprise cards hit now, I don't notice them frequently (and can barely see what the picture is when I do notice them...maybe having 1st gen iPad is part of the problem, because the game is really choppy for me also). Maybe it was Ezio Mentor and I just missed the neutralize/erase action cards in the archive. I don't recall seeing the opponent play ANY land cards, so I'm pretty sure that wasn't the reason my cards were killed. And lurifaxb, it wasn't you (unless you go by 2 names). Though the person is on the forums I found out after I posted this...I sent them a PM asking them what they played (because I clearly missed something big) but haven't heard back yet. I feel really bad about bringing up cheating too...I know it couldn't have been. I'm still really confused on what the heck I missed though. *crosses eyes*
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Post by Tuism on Nov 8, 2012 15:46:05 GMT -5
Errrrrm did he/she have a Abbazia Di San Miracule in play? Cos that card with Maria results in a seemingly unexplained kill-everything combo  (read them up!) |
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Nov 8, 2012 19:45:20 GMT -5
There definitely wasn't a Maria in play (the only influence earner card in play I recall seeing was a black Ezio...and there was definitely only one agent card. There could have been a land that just didn't register with my memory/brain as a whole, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't. There were several green "draw two cards then discard one" cards, however. That's the 2 I remember seeing in both of their action slots when my cards suddenly disappeared while I was looking in the archive). I'm not familiar with the other card...like I said I'm still getting used to the new cards and the nice, long Italian names of the old cards don't exactly stick with me long, lol. I'll check that combo out though...it sounds interesting.
Oh, and I still haven't heard anything back from thhis person. I guess they don't get on the forums that often. But oh well, I guess.
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Post by coolkendude on Nov 9, 2012 8:21:50 GMT -5
There were several green "draw two cards then discard one" cards, however. That's the 2 I remember seeing in both of their action slots when my cards suddenly disappeared while I was looking in the archive). Now I see what's happening. That card is Lab Research - draw two cards, discard one. What he did was play 3 of those cards in succession (after playing Ezio Mentor). He was discarding Maria Thorpe which allows him to neutralize your highest cost Agent or Site. The first to go was your Art Gallery because it's a 4-cost Site. The two other agents he neutralized was probably a 3 or 2-cost Agent. Plus you wouldn't see Maria Thorpe in the Archive because when she's discarded, she goes straight to the Erase pile. |
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Nov 9, 2012 14:11:01 GMT -5
There were several green "draw two cards then discard one" cards, however. That's the 2 I remember seeing in both of their action slots when my cards suddenly disappeared while I was looking in the archive). Now I see what's happening. That card is Lab Research - draw two cards, discard one. What he did was play 3 of those cards in succession (after playing Ezio Mentor). He was discarding Maria Thorpe which allows him to neutralize your highest cost Agent or Site. The first to go was your Art Gallery because it's a 4-cost Site. The two other agents he neutralized was probably a 3 or 2-cost Agent. Plus you wouldn't see Maria Thorpe in the Archive because when she's discarded, she goes straight to the Erase pile. Oooooh, OK. So there's no way to view the erase pile? I've always been shakey on erase vs neutralize vs discard in this game. And I never used to look in the archive during a match...even with surprise cards Before the update I always had time to see what happened within the match...now I barely get a chance to see the picture on the card, but less double tap it. Though I imagine it may be better for the newer iPads...a lot of games don't run very smooth on this first gen iPad. But thanks for the answer...I get it now. |
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Post by coolkendude on Nov 9, 2012 14:38:35 GMT -5
So there's no way to view the erase pile? You can view the "Erase" pile - it's right next to the Archive pile with an "X" on it (if I remember correctly). You can view them both, just not at the same time. |
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Post by coolkendude on Nov 9, 2012 14:49:59 GMT -5
I've always been shakey on erase vs neutralize vs discard in this game. In terms of Erase vs. Neutralize vs. Discard, really it's just Erase vs. everything else. Erase will put the card in the "Erase" pile while neutralize / discard will put the card in the Archive. Maria Thorpe (as well as some other 11-cost cards) is a special case because if you discard her, she actually goes into the Erase pile instead of the Archive. There was a time when she actually went to the Archive when you discarded her but the combo with Abbazia de San Mercuriale was very overpowered and that's why Tuism mentioned the combo in his post above. What happened before was players would use Abbazi to discard Maria (thus killing your highest cost Site or Agent), then would bring her back to their hands by paying only 2 Gold (Abbazia's ability states - Pay 2 Gold, Discard an Agent: Choose an Agent in the Archive. Put it in your hand.). You can imagine how OP this combo is by just paying 2 Gold every time to neutralize your opponent's Sites or Agents one by one. Because of this, the developers did some rebalancing and now some of the 11-cost cards go directly to the Erase pile if they were discarded instead of going to the Archive. I hope that helps - and welcome back! |
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