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Post by Tuism on Feb 7, 2012 6:53:09 GMT -5
Here's the new Double Down - after some new cards and some new thoughts, I found that discard fits pretty well with the Clothes idea  Income boosters/discard 5 Plentiful Crap  5 Divine Intervention 5 Answered Prayers Copy/utility 4 Clothes make the Man 4 Family Heirloom More discard 5 Ritual Sacrifice 5 Let He Who is Without Sin Winners 3 Calling All Stand-Ins 3 San Gimignano 2 Ancestral Discovery 5 Papal Influence 3 Silvio Barbarigo 2 Animus Reboot At its heart is a reboot/silvio deck, with copying discards/stealers/papals doubling whatever is needed at the moment. I think it's lost some of its flavour from earlier incarnations It can start running pretty quickly (the discard lock), and copying stuff like ritual sacrifice has won me many games against Lanz. Yes it still can't deal with Lanz easily but the steal discard hurts them. Especially Answered Prayers. Counters end up countering discards, which is great. Rushes get rebooted most of the time. The choice of Plentiful Crops ever Dama rasa is cos I don't wanna feed tactical upheavals. I feel that this deck doesn't benefit too much from "one more blocker". Although I might still make the change. Calling All Stand-ins... I wonder if I should play this, but it's won me too many games to ignore. Plus the clothes copy is great. Might change it to Carnivale, actually. Suggestions? Is discard/reboot in your experience cheap or viable? It's performed pretty well so far. Haevn't been playing it more than my Pietro decks tohugh |
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Post by The Rancord on Feb 8, 2012 12:31:08 GMT -5
its by far not cheap, its viable, but its not a tier1 deck.
I guess thats what you kind of Wanted.
The Familly Heilroom and clothes make the man are in all your decks I see.
I personally think Ritual Sacrifice is expensive. You probably avoid misterious Stranger because of untimly end, still I think he is way better.
Id remove Silvio and pack in a powerfull midgame puncher. Most of your key cards are assassin, so you might try ezio with a little bit of tweaking the rest.
I also see no reason why to choose Plentiful Crop over Dama Rosa. Its not any spell u want to copy or search for later, when you could pay Familliy heilroom.
With Ezio you can leaat search for him or San gnimano to chose the right threat against the right deck.
You could drop Media for another color to tweak harder into a supression/beatdown deck actually.
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Post by Tuism on Feb 8, 2012 13:12:04 GMT -5
I guess when I build decks like this I don't just shoot for tier one... I would hope it gets there eventually but I want what I want first In that case - yeah it's the heirloom + clothes combo/engine/thing. My philosophy with most of the selections you mentioned there is to stick to one type of threats - either all agents or all sites. Silvio doesn't fit the pattern as he is always safe so tough to remove (except for SE... *groan*). I like to leave dead cards in opponent's hands - it A) denies resource from for example tactless theatrics, etc and B) makes sure I can concentrate on overloading on one or two threat channels instead of spreading out - most people have site or agent removal, and if they have both they'll have to hope drawing the right one. The Dama Rasa exclusion really is just to follow the above philosophy I'll see how it works out. If I constantly need that one more block to win I'll make the switch. Also if I start with a Clothes, Plentiful Crap and no cheap cards (happens sometimes) I can copy it and get a good boost. Yes it's a rare occurance but it has happened more than I'd like to admit I'll try Ezio but generally he didn't fare so well in my previous experiences making Ezio decks. This not being a rush deck doesn't need a 5 drop as much as say, Nicodeck. Trust me I tried gold Ezio in EVERYTHING And unless it's a rush, he's easily outclassed by the other bosses or SE. A discard rush beatdown deck hmmm... |
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Post by The Rancord on Feb 8, 2012 13:35:38 GMT -5
Welll u play early discard, then the other bosses of enemy are gone. Then u play ore ezio, with his hand allrdy limited. While with PP u need to burrst him out early or loose, in your deck you can clear his big threats or thigns that can handle him, and then drop him still pretty early.
Also controllers need to boost their ressources, if they have to counter a ezio aSan gimnano and discard,and play booster and have a finisher, its gonna get hard for them.
if your enemy uses a 1on1 card, he empties his ahnd faster without any advantage.
About tier1: of course if u build a deck that everyone allrdy plays and considers as tier1 thats a different story. That doesnt mean that you cannot bring your deck as close to tier1 as possible.
I personally just like the goal with discard/cheap answer*gold*/Familly Heilroom/San gimnano/Ezio. Thats a route I think is worth trying out. *the gold 3 cost site that kills enemy sites/sudden exhaust/tactical upheavel, are all gold answers.
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Post by Diomedia on Feb 8, 2012 13:39:02 GMT -5
I'm busyish tonight but I'll try and draw up a simple thing tomorrow. Is it meant to be just related to specific issues , or is it just a simple FAQ or is it more of a trouble shooting thing?
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Post by Tuism on Feb 8, 2012 16:44:04 GMT -5
Welll u play early discard, then the other bosses of enemy are gone. Then u play ore ezio, with his hand allrdy limited. While with PP u need to burrst him out early or loose, in your deck you can clear his big threats or thigns that can handle him, and then drop him still pretty early. Also controllers need to boost their ressources, if they have to counter a ezio aSan gimnano and discard,and play booster and have a finisher, its gonna get hard for them. if your enemy uses a 1on1 card, he empties his ahnd faster without any advantage. About tier1: of course if u build a deck that everyone allrdy plays and considers as tier1 thats a different story. That doesnt mean that you cannot bring your deck as close to tier1 as possible. I personally just like the goal with discard/cheap answer*gold*/Familly Heilroom/San gimnano/Ezio. Thats a route I think is worth trying out. *the gold 3 cost site that kills enemy sites/sudden exhaust/tactical upheavel, are all gold answers. Yeah of course I always try and bring my deck up to the best it can be without losing the core concept The gold site killing site is 4 cost with no income I usually play one of those and one Mob justice in an heirloom deck as sometimes you face espionage. My previous experience with Ezio/San Gimignano decks almost always end up with SE'd Ezio and mob justiced San... They're just not able to overwhelm the 5 SEs most people pack, and half the crowd packs Royal Decree or at least Mob Justice or the other gold site killer... And that was one of the reasons I stopped that approach (big agents AND sites that aren't super insanely fast like Nicodeck) But I'll look see what happens after the nerfs - Exhausts might be less popular. Maybe. |
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Post by The Rancord on Feb 8, 2012 17:30:15 GMT -5
U have answered prayers. U discard his hand to death. He needs to have his sudden exhaust at the right time. If your fast it might be enough.
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