[discuss] The most "Mean, Vile, Ignoble" strategy

[thest4lker]

Gamemaestro, stunning timing on those discards, awesome work. And then the freaking game crashed! I know we are both convinced we had a win there I almost wish I could write a play by play. I'm still testing a new deck out, and I'm feeling pretty good about going toe to toe in that game

[eev]

any deck which can start with several lotuses and then drop something mean like discard whole hand or few of gold sites, something like yours Tuism lol.

[Tuism]

Any deck can do that, but not any deck can do that AND survive and win if it DOESN'T do that

I didn't build a doomsday deck that only does the doomsday, it does that if it can do that, but it can also win in other ways, as opposed to just lie down and die if it doesn't get the god opening hand

[eev]

Tuism
i know and just wanted to say that such decks are quite mean when they start with very good hand in my opinion, because they dont give you much time and options to deal with them and it is like playing vs vintage decks lol.

[Tuism]

By vintage do you mean black lotus and kird apes and time walk and moxens, etc? Yeah I never really played type 1 but I can imagine what a messed up environment that is.

Yes when a combo deck comes out with the dream hand it's a sealed deal. But at the same time, that deck will have a hard time when it doesn't - imagine drawing 3 doomsdays. HAS happened to me. You'll see it and laugh at me saying I deserve it, and I'll say I probably did, so I shrug it off and go play the next game, or I try and make my deck less survivable when the combo buggers out.

So every deck, not just doomsday decks, have their best hand and their worst hand. And every deck, not just Doomsday decks, have their ups and downs. Creating consistent decks means less bad hand surprises, but also less amazing synergies to make a killer kill - creating combo decks creates amazing synergies but fail when those synergies don't show up.

Merchant Guild decks vs Thief rush
Juno deck vs counterdraw
Nicodeck vs Borgia art rush

etc etc, everyone has a place in the continuum between rush and control, combo and consistent. And I don't think the doomsday combo is overpowered at all cos the deck can still fail, and fail spectacularly. People just happen to remember failing against them more than beating them.

[eev]

well not kird apes really, but even more fun and fast format lol. but again i am not arguing that such decks are overpowered, just they are most mean to play vs when they start with a good hand in my opinion.

[thedude808]

Oh the days of Black Vise-Channel-Fireball.

[pryingtuna85649]

Mar 16, 2012 4:14:13 GMT -5 Tuism said:

Combo decks are fun, but decks with an actual win strategy and synergies (synergies aren't combos) simply work better and more consistently

The only strategy I find "despicable" are lagging your opponent intentionally, and the old Pan/RI Everything else is permitted, Nothing is true

Sorry for bringing up an older post, but I've been wondering about this lagging thing! I use wifi connection for my iPad and disconnect with other games sometimes (and have problems with lag in ACR on Xbox that I can't for the life of me fix), so I know it's on my end sometimes. And others probably have it on their end sometimes, too. But some of the games I've been in have be twice as slow the entire match and seem to have "lost connection" every several seconds. And considering how hard it is to move your cards around when that's going on, it's a really easy way to cheat. Seems like if someone has figured out how to manipulate their internet that well, they could be smart enough to figure out how to play the game without cheating to win. I just wish I could figure out how to manipulate my internet in order to make my connection better for playing ACR MP on Xbox.

Crazy to me (and I'm sure others) that someone would spend that much time figuring out their internet just to cheat instead of actually learn the game. Because it seems like they'd be capable. But oh well.

People quitting early doesn't even bother me, actually. I don't too much like sitting around and watching someone else play when they've neutralized all my cards and I know they'll win after a turn or two. And sometimes it's just a disconnect. But when it's intentional cheating, it's just stupid.

[Tuism]

Agreed. That's why I don't think anyone who bothers with strategy (anyone in this forum, I'm guessing) wouldn't bother with cheating. Besides, we haven't confirmed that there are people exploiting - for all we know it's just some people and their unstable internet connection.

People are generally paranoid when things look a bit funny in a "pattern", but usually it's just the way the dice falls

I do "early withdrawals" (lol) when I know the opponent will have my throat before the next draw. Or when I draw ALL my not income boosters in my opening hand and after 2 days

[Ringel]

I don't think it is effective enough to be a cheat. It probably is a bad connection, or if it times right, someone is opening/closing their game over and over to annoy you (but that has a different rhythm than the bad connection)

[Rob (Roebidoebi)]

Apr 9, 2012 17:53:59 GMT -5 Ringel said:

I don't think it is effective enough to be a cheat. It probably is a bad connection, or if it times right, someone is opening/closing their game over and over to annoy you (but that has a different rhythm than the bad connection)

You never know. I was pretty surprised stuff like lag-switches really do exist and are being used (in games like MW). Some people are really bad losers and will do anything to get a "win". Even if it takes a lot more work (and time) than simply learning to play the game.

I can't even imagine spending 5 minutes halting the game hoping my opponent quits when I could have played at least one new game in the same time frame.

[Ringel]

I guess I'm too naive.

I have played games on a bad connection where the game seems to stutter, and I can't help but wonder if my opponent is seeing the disconnect 16...15 message on the other end.

I also don't grasp cheating. Especially with stakes as low as a computer game.

[gamemaestro]

There is definitely a different pattern between the lag stutter and the intentional windowing out of the game. I don't understand those who waste 5 minutes trying to get someone to quit although someone I'd the other day. I refuse to give them the satisfaction. I rarely even quit out of a game with a bad connection. Before I knew the difference, I played a 35 minute game through stutter thinking it was intentional.