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Post by jefmajor on Mar 18, 2012 17:19:22 GMT -5
There is almost no way for me to know this without looking at how the game was made so I'm just asking about the experiences of others here:
It SEEMS like when I do a "change" hand I have zero chance of getting the cards that were in the first draw.
For example if I draw a hand that is 5 plentiful crop and another card, is there a zero percent chance that I will have a plentiful crop in the next hand after hitting "change"? Because it SEEMS like it.
I had assumed that it would be like re-shuffling, not putting the first hand on the bottom and drawing again.
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Post by madstryfe on Mar 18, 2012 22:27:15 GMT -5
Good question, I know that whenever I have hit that button sometimes I get a couple of the cards I want to start with and other times I don't. Are you sure you're not getting at least 2 of the same cards at least some of the time?
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Post by Ringel on Mar 18, 2012 22:47:48 GMT -5
Hmm.. Time to make a "Highlander" deck to test this out.
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Post by thedude808 on Mar 18, 2012 22:53:28 GMT -5
Proceed cautiously because there can be only one...of each card.
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Post by jefmajor on Mar 18, 2012 23:01:34 GMT -5
Magnificent. I like this thread so much as it is I don't even care if I know the truth.
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Post by tortimer on Mar 23, 2012 11:49:43 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you can get some of the cards back you had with your first hand. I know I have had 4 of the same card and changed hands and got back at least one maybe two of the card. I'm not 100% sure but 99% it is just random cards from your whole deck not minus the initial hand.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 23, 2012 12:06:19 GMT -5
I've gotten a copy of the same card quite a few times. Now I'm not sure if you mean the exact same card or a copy of that card. The only way to test if it's the latter is to include a single copy of a few cards and mulligan a million times, recording the outcome each time. I'm not bored enough to do that, ever
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Post by Ringel on Mar 23, 2012 12:59:14 GMT -5
If I mulligan 6 times with my Highlander deck I should be close to certain either way (100% one way or >99% the other). I didn't realize it would take so few...
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Post by Pete on Mar 23, 2012 13:36:03 GMT -5
If I mulligan 6 times with my Highlander deck I should be close to certain either way (100% one way or >99% the other). I didn't realize it would take so few... do it 12 times just in case.
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Post by Ringel on Mar 25, 2012 12:59:50 GMT -5
I haven't played this game for a couple of days, but I finally decided to test it out.
I ran the experiment in story mode 6 times with my Highlander deck. I never drew the same card twice.
The chance of drawing at least one of the same cards in one test is 55.58%. Most of the time you should see at least one of the same card.
If it is pure reshuffle, redraw, the chance of it never happening 6 times in a row is (1 - 0.5558)^6 = 0.0077. So less than 1%.
I'm convinced. If anyone wants to try it 12 times, go for it.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 13:12:20 GMT -5
Good to know then, if I ever play highlander this will be important info
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Post by Ringel on Mar 25, 2012 13:17:13 GMT -5
It is true for any deck, if you want to calculate the odds. If you draw a copy of a card, you are less likely to get the same card in the mulligan, since you can't draw the identical copy.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 13:25:21 GMT -5
It is true for any deck, if you want to calculate the odds. If you draw a copy of a card, you are less likely to get the same card in the mulligan, since you can't draw the identical copy. I guess that's true, but if you go according to the card count thing I posted in academy, why the heck would you want something in 1 or 2 copy in your opening hand - and I've drawn plenty of cards that had 5 or 4 copies again in a mulligan Yes the probabilities don't lie, but I don't see *that* much point in this info cos if I really don't like my opening hand, it won't be because I'd like to draw the same card again. That often. If I did it would be in 4/5 copies in my deck. Follow my logic?
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Post by Ringel on Mar 25, 2012 14:46:08 GMT -5
Yes, it probably wont change much in the way of strategy, which is why no one posed the question before jefmajor.
Someone asked a question and I answered it. If you don't care about the question, then why post?
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Post by Tuism on Mar 25, 2012 14:52:01 GMT -5
Dont care about it *that* much, but I do care about telling people not to agonize over it too much cos last thing we need is people taking longer working out mathematically if they wanna creep their hand or draw another one Nah just kidding, threads don't need to be life and death before I post in them
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