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Post by Tuism on Mar 31, 2012 10:07:46 GMT -5
From the way you're responding it sounds like you aren't thinking much about what your opponent is playing and only thinking its your deck that "has everything destroyed by opponent" or "gets everything right" - a large part of the game is knowing what your opponent is playing and play to their strengths and weaknesses, besides pushing your own strategy down their throat. When you feel like everything you're doing is being countered that's because you're facing a different opponent/deck than the other time when things went differently. So besides playing your own game, try and see how your deck fares against different decks. Against site buildup decks, don't kill the first site they drop - wait a bit and see if they stack, if they stack you can kill the stack in one go and gain advantage. Or if they're playing wipe actions like wrath, don't commit too many agents, play just as many as it takes to keep gaining influence. If you see theyre playing counters, try hold your key card till their gold is spent or try to rush out your key cards. Etc etc. Of course it still all comes with experience so just keep an eye out
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Mar 31, 2012 12:08:37 GMT -5
I'm glad you mentioned that. I haven't even gotten to predicting the opponent's deck as I'm still learning what cards exist and how the different card actions work. Once I'm really understanding how different decks are constructed based on what I've done, I think I'll be able to understand opponents, their strategies, and predict their moves better. Of course I also have to play against opponents to see these strategies as well...like you said, it comes with experience! I don't want to spend all my time on building my own decks, but I don't know how I can really grasp what an opponent is doing if I don't understand my own cards/deck. Does that make sense?
*edit* But I do gotta say I have no idea right now how to predict what an opponent will do. I vaguely understand predicting their overall strategy, but what's going through my mind is I never know if they'll draw that one power card in their deck they only have one of that will completely obliterate me. I know the chances are actually slim and it's still the thinking you described above, but it still happens. Or I think they're trying one thing, but they're actually doing something else because I don't understand the cards. I dunno, thinking out loud now, I guess, lol.
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Post by Ringel on Mar 31, 2012 20:41:09 GMT -5
No need to quit! I'll be a good sport.
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Apr 1, 2012 15:03:18 GMT -5
Lol, I actually didn't quit! The game kinda frequently shuts down on me at random. I was pretty annoyed when that happened, because I was looking forward to seeing how you play and learning! And I finally made a deck that I'm somewhat comfortable with. It's not the best deck set ever (I guess I'll post it in a bit), but I don't lose every match either, lol.
Speaking of which, I played my first match against someone who had 99 cards in their deck, lol. I now see in practice how having a smaller deck is advantageous! He couldn't play hardly any cards, so winning (even with my weeny little Order agent deck) was a breeze. I played against him twice...can't remember if I won both matches (he may have drawn better cards the second time and won) but he had 99 cards in his deck both times. But I couldn't get into another game after that...guess no one was playing earlier today? *shrugs*
Oh, I do have another kinda random question, now that I'm at it. Whenever I go into the versus mode screen, behind the gamecenter popup there's a screen that shows a ranked box at the top and a friendly match box on the bottom. Is there a way to choose which match you do that I'm missing? I've never tried to click on one or the other and just assumed you couldn't because of the gamecenter popup.
Anyway, it would be cool to friend some of you on gamecenter in order to practice/learn in some games. If you don't mind, let me know!
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 1, 2012 18:40:47 GMT -5
Nope the boxes behind are just here to look nice. Yeah, 99 cards must be tough to play. I did the same mistakes 20 years ago when I started Magic. I just played ALL my black and green cards in the same deck. It's "normal" I think to do so before being introduced to card games basics.
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Apr 1, 2012 22:34:16 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I did before I read the thread on here about only 50 cards in a deck. But this to me is the perfect example of how mathematical card games are. It's all about probability. I'm showing my inner geek, but it's pretty cool. I've always been horrible at math though, so it's not something I would have figured out or understood on my own, lol.
How long has Magic been around? I remember it as a kid and more as a teenager/college student, but I now that I think about it, I never knew if it started when I was a kid or just picked up popularity when I was a kid. Guess I could find that info on Wikipedia...
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Post by Raphael Majere on Apr 2, 2012 0:31:58 GMT -5
Around 20 years, maybe 19.
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 2, 2012 0:37:42 GMT -5
1993 Is when I started if I remember correcly. So, 19 years exactly.
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Post by Tuism on Apr 2, 2012 0:56:11 GMT -5
Nope the boxes behind are just here to look nice. Yeah, 99 cards must be tough to play. I did the same mistakes 20 years ago when I started Magic. I just played ALL my black and green cards in the same deck. It's "normal" I think to do so before being introduced to card games basics. I'm pretty sure the box would switch to highlight the other one if you are playing a friendly match by invite, but yeah besides that you can't use them or interact with them for anything. Even after being introduced to them it's hard to keep it at 50 or whatever maximum it is per game. I'm almost always on 51 cos I juuuust caaaaant manage to whittle it down by one more
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Post by madstryfe on Apr 2, 2012 2:11:46 GMT -5
As a casual poker player, sometimes I like to entertain the idea of 52 card decks and roughly remembering different probablilites of the draw
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Post by Tuism on Apr 2, 2012 2:37:17 GMT -5
As a casual poker player, sometimes I like to entertain the idea of 52 card decks and roughly remembering different probablilites of the draw Ha! That's a good one! And... 4 of each instead of 5 of each?
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Post by pryingtuna85649 on Apr 2, 2012 11:01:17 GMT -5
Woohoo, Wikipedia. I looked Magic up last night after I posted that, lol. Can't believe I'm 10 years older than that game...good god. *crosses eyes*
And I should look up some stuff on poker strategy and probabilities. It's always been a mystery how these professionals can know the deck so well that they can figure out or at least have ideas of what their opponents cards are/could be. It's a lot to keep up with...and it's all mental notes as well.
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Post by Ringel on Apr 2, 2012 11:09:31 GMT -5
The probabilities in Poker are the easy part-- well relatively easy if you have the time to put into the game.
It's the reading other people/not getting read that is the hard part.
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Post by gamemaestro on Apr 2, 2012 13:28:18 GMT -5
Yeah, some of the best players say that they play how they read their opponents more than they play their own cards. As ultra-aggressive play has grown this has become more true. Some top players will make massive bets with really bad hands if they think their opponent is weak.
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