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Post by kagenotenshi on Apr 3, 2012 0:10:34 GMT -5
it's a pain in the @$$, any thought?
i don't see too many ways to counter it, aside from "countering" it, especially if it steals one of those big fat red agent or any other key cards, and for a card that gives you +1(you spend one, get one, and ur opp lose one) it's rather cheap, and u can wait for one of the big guns to F ur opp's play way over
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Post by Tuism on Apr 3, 2012 0:33:26 GMT -5
I like it, but it's definitely not "cheap"... One more and you can get a wipe (wrath, wanted posters, lassitude is 5). I use it all the time but it won't replace sudden exhaust  |
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Post by thedude808 on Apr 3, 2012 0:38:34 GMT -5
Like you said, you can counter it with Court Order, Preemptive Strike, Scientific Espionage, or Marco Barbarigo. You can also bounce your agent back to your hand with Bitter Sweet or Malfatto. When your agent leaves play and goes to your hand, it ceases to be the "target agent" of your opponent's CoP so it's effect fizzles and nothing happens.
There are a few Faith cards that cause your opponent to discard his card with the highest cost, and since CoP costs 6, there is a good chance it would be discarded if there is one in their hand. There are also Faith cards that let you choose a card from your opponent's hand to discard or take for yourself. Wrath of the Righteous, Target Practice, and Animus Reboot are larger scale board wipes that can help as well.
These are a few strategies to combat CoP. I'm sure I haven't listed them all. CoP is a strong card, but there are ways to combat it. Sometimes, though, you just have to take down one of your own agents. You won't always have an answer for it.
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Post by kagenotenshi on Apr 3, 2012 0:39:58 GMT -5
well, its not slap it anytime, but usually a deck has a couple of key cards, and this doesn't just kill it, it steals it 6 is not bad consider u r stealing on the field, so u bypass any launching, which even ritual sacrifice don't let u do, and that's already a 4/+1 steal one, wrath of god(lol), wanted poster, and lassitude hurts u too, so unless your deck is site heavy(in which case u should spend more time protecting ur sites anyways), its not quite the same, nuke is nuke change of heart is change of heart (lol for anyone who gets this one)
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Post by kagenotenshi on Apr 3, 2012 0:45:16 GMT -5
Like you said, you can counter it with Court Order, Preemptive Strike, Scientific Espionage, or Marco Barbarigo. You can also bounce your agent back to your hand with Bitter Sweet or Malfatto. When your agent leaves play and goes to your hand, it ceases to be the "target agent" of your opponent's CoP so it's effect fizzles and nothing happens. There are a few Faith cards that cause your opponent to discard his card with the highest cost, and since CoP costs 6, there is a good chance it would be discarded if there is one in their hand. There are also Faith cards that let you choose a card from your opponent's hand to discard or take for yourself. Wrath of the Righteous, Target Practice, and Animus Reboot are larger scale board wipes that can help as well. These are a few strategies to combat CoP. I'm sure I haven't listed them all. CoP is a strong card, but there are ways to combat it. Sometimes, though, you just have to take down one of your own agents. You won't always have an answer for it. ya that way its just a lighting rod, wrath itself has just as many weakness as CoP if not more, so i wouldn't say that's a good "counter", TP AR are both 12 if i recall, by the time that comes up i have counter, or already won the game wrath is 7 and CoP is 6, these comes out while the game is still young, meaning u may not have counter in ur hand, or not enough gold to use it, which makes them more dangerous than TP and AR, and I am not saying its a must have stable but it's not that far from it |
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Post by thest4lker on Apr 3, 2012 2:21:08 GMT -5
I'm a huge fan of COP, it's a key part of my favourite deck (only have 3, but I tutor for it if necessary). But it's definately not invincible. If I run into someone with a deck full of scientific espionage, it hurts!
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Post by Brontobeuf on Apr 3, 2012 5:49:06 GMT -5
The solution to Silvio. Awesome card.
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Post by Tuism on Apr 3, 2012 6:41:37 GMT -5
The solution to Silvio. Awesome card. Yep, Silvio is the primary reason I include COP in my crime decks. Primary |
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Post by kagenotenshi on Apr 3, 2012 7:53:32 GMT -5
The solution to Silvio. Awesome card. +1 on that brother, its like one of the handful of ways to deal with Silvio aside from bounce 0 power it or erase, though 0 powering it doesn't stop it from being a wall, and bouncing doesn't stop it from coming back |
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Post by madstryfe on Apr 3, 2012 13:09:24 GMT -5
Yes a good solution, better than the one solution that should be posted in common mistakes
Contrary to popular belief the Sudden Exhaustion/Tactical Upheaval combo does not work bwahahaha!
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Post by thest4lker on Apr 5, 2012 11:26:32 GMT -5
This might be general knowledge, but it turns out if you COP a 10/10 Lorenzo, he stays 10/10, even if your income is less than 20. On a side note, I think the guy I just played is going to puke next time he sees a COP. He does a massive income build, I am sitting at 12 income , 3 COP in hand. He plays patrizio, I COP and block, he doesnt score. He plays another patrizio, blocks mine before I can COP. He plays Lorenzo, 10/10 cause of income, I COP before he can score. He plays Carnifice, I COP before he can score... I was kinda surprised he didn't quit  It's not always about been able to put the fatest agent on the board |
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Post by thedude808 on Apr 5, 2012 16:16:46 GMT -5
This might be general knowledge, but it turns out if you COP a 10/10 Lorenzo, he stays 10/10, even if your income is less than 20. Yeah, Lorenzo's +5/+5 is a come into play effect. When he comes into play, he either gets the bonus or not. That is the only time the bonus can be applied. |
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