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Post by coolkendude on Jul 26, 2012 15:54:06 GMT -5
"Are" effects normally last as long as the card is in play. I don't know why they use the "always safe" term rather than "safe", since it causes confusion, like it does with Sylvio. I just realized why they had to say "always Safe" in Theodosius. Compare this card to Evasive Maneuvers and you'll see the difference. Evasive Maneuvers: Target Agent is Safe Theodosius: Noble are always Safe The first card gives an Agent Safe until an event (getting blocked, Tactless Theatrics, etc.) changes its status and then the Safe goes away. The second card gives Nobles Safe but it continues to be Safe even after an event happens that changes its status. So even when Theodosius is neutralized, the Nobles who already received Safe from Theodosius will be like Silvio in this regard. At least that's how I understand the wording on Safe. |
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Post by Tuism on Jul 26, 2012 21:02:43 GMT -5
OK after having played the harbour for a bit, I'm finding these circumstances to be buggy: 1) My opponent's nobles also get safe. I have a screenshot of this. I'm certain noone played Evasive Manoeuvres. 2) My opponent drops a Fishing Village opposite my Harbour - and the ability isn't removed. Every noble (including his) continues to have safe. Can anyone else confirm this? I think your first point is WAI. The wording is "Noble are always Safe" - it doesn't matter who owns the nobles. Definitely not a bug for Point 1. The second point is I think similar to what wampyrs was saying... it's that once the nobles get Safe from Theodosius, they will continue to have Safe even after Theodosius is destroyed or its abilities taken out. But new Nobles won't get Safe. Not sure if the second point is WAI or a bug - devs need to weigh in on this IMO. Ohhhhh right, I thought it was "your nobles", silly me. Understood. Point 2 though - I think it's the specific interaction between fishing village and harbour that's broken, cos if I open the harbour after it got a fishing village opposite it the text is still there - I remember papal bull actually removing that text. |
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Post by coolkendude on Jul 26, 2012 21:56:34 GMT -5
I just played somebody who used Theodosius and our nobles received Safe. But when I neutralized the site using Hippodrone, all our nobles who received Safe were no longer Safe so I guess the issue that wampyrs mentioned may indeed be a bug. I haven't replicated it though so I can't confirm. But I can confirm that Safe was taken away when Theodosius was destroyed.
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Post by wampyrs on Jul 26, 2012 23:44:25 GMT -5
2) My opponent drops a Fishing Village opposite my Harbour - and the ability isn't removed. Every noble (including his) continues to have safe. Point 2 though - I think it's the specific interaction between fishing village and harbour that's broken, cos if I open the harbour after it got a fishing village opposite it the text is still there - I remember papal bull actually removing that text. Just to be clear, dropping the Fishing Village won't remove the abilities. It has to be triggered. |
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Post by Tuism on Jul 27, 2012 4:04:37 GMT -5
huh? What do you mean by that? You mean fishing village only removes triggered and activated abilities, not "permanent" and ongoing abilities?
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Post by lurifaxb on Jul 27, 2012 4:18:04 GMT -5
huh? What do you mean by that? You mean fishing village only removes triggered and activated abilities, not "permanent" and ongoing abilities? He means that you first have to activate the ability for it to work. There is a general misconception that it works as soon as it is launched. Read the text on the card and it shows it as an activated ability. |
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Post by Tuism on Jul 27, 2012 6:08:44 GMT -5
OH!!! So it's not a on resolve ability but an activated ability? That makes sense now. And makes the card marginally better  |
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Post by demkon on Jul 27, 2012 8:42:44 GMT -5
Did anyone test if you can activate the ability of fishing village "preemptive"?
I mean you play fishing village and activate the ability immediately after resolving. If your opponent then plays a site to that location, his site abilitiy won't work. Does it work this way?
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Post by coolkendude on Jul 27, 2012 9:42:04 GMT -5
I don't think it works that way. But you can kind of preempt it by activating Fishing Village's ability after your opponent plays a site but before it resolves.
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Post by kackman73 on Jul 27, 2012 12:20:39 GMT -5
I've seen people play Fishing Village against me, but I've rarely seen them actually make any real use of it. Out of curiosity, can the ability be used multiple times (say, if I'm dumb enough to keep playing sites w/abilities opposite my opponent's Fishing Village, can he keep negating their abilities?)?
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Post by Tuism on Jul 27, 2012 12:38:32 GMT -5
you cannot stop a launch ability like Scholar's Den or San Polo with Fishing Village. To be able to do that implies you launch the ability exactly at the moment the opposing ability resolves, which is frankly ridiculous. Also it explicitly says "does not affect launch abilities", lol |
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Post by coolkendude on Jul 27, 2012 12:52:55 GMT -5
I've seen people play Fishing Village against me, but I've rarely seen them actually make any real use of it. Out of curiosity, can the ability be used multiple times (say, if I'm dumb enough to keep playing sites w/abilities opposite my opponent's Fishing Village, can he keep negating their abilities?)? Yes, the owner of Fishing Village can activate the ability multiple times. It's like any other agent or site ability that can be activated (think Claudia Auditore, Scholar for drawing cards or Abbazia for the combo with Maria Thorpe). |
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Post by coolkendude on Jul 27, 2012 12:56:07 GMT -5
you cannot stop a launch ability like Scholar's Den or San Polo with Fishing Village. To be able to do that implies you launch the ability exactly at the moment the opposing ability resolves, which is frankly ridiculous. Also it explicitly says "does not affect launch abilities", lol I didn't mean it in that way... you're right about not being able to affect launching abilities. I'm talking about say somebody launching Buried Cathedral (BC) on you, you can activate Fishing Village (FV) after he launches BC so that when BC resolves, FV's ability should also resolve and hopefully your top 4 cards in your sequence won't go to the Archive if you timed it properly. |
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Post by kackman73 on Jul 27, 2012 13:14:17 GMT -5
Appropo of nothing, I'm apparently a legendary member now?  |
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Post by Ringel on Jul 27, 2012 13:17:48 GMT -5
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