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Post by Pete on Aug 3, 2012 0:20:39 GMT -5
I don't understand why your drawn card can't be royal intervention, and right now as a surprise you play the discovery discarding the 11 blue and scoring 1 in all regions, then casting royal when you have 18 to get 9 in the last region and block with your agents for a win? I guess you have to play lassitude as well and wait.
Edit: could you make the guy that adds 1 to a site pump the thing to 3 in the middle so you win in 1 day (or just under)? Might be possible, looks like enough income, don't need lassitude then.
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 3, 2012 0:38:57 GMT -5
I don't understand why your drawn card can't be royal intervention, and right now as a surprise you play the discovery discarding the 11 blue and scoring 1 in all regions, then casting royal when you have 18 to get 9 in the last region and block with your agents for a win? I guess you have to play lassitude as well and wait. Edit: could you make the guy that adds 1 to a site pump the thing to 3 in the middle so you win in 1 day (or just under)? Might be possible, looks like enough income, don't need lassitude then. You'd have to get rid of Sofia Sartor for the site to score and even then Georgios and Maffeo would prevent it from scoring in the middle region. RI would score even though it shouldn't just like in coolkendude's solution.
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Post by Pete on Aug 3, 2012 0:53:11 GMT -5
I guess the last card you'd be royal intervention also, but then it takes too long I guess, or that other blue one that scores 3.
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Post by tisonpomrt on Aug 3, 2012 2:22:00 GMT -5
=>coolkendude: Excellent work for providing us with both a solution and proof. Yes, I will certainly accept your solution because it was my intention from the start that this work around can score you the win (at least in v. 2.14). As per the notion that "[Janissary Justice] is working as intended or not (since it has gained the "Defender" ability from opponent's [Maffeo]'s ability", I think maybe one of us should notify the Dev. team? =>Pete: Thank u for your very interesting solution. But once you have succeeded in scoring 10 points in one of the regions with [Royal Intervention], how would you score another 10 points in another region before the next day arrives, leaving both you and your opponent with no cards to draw and thus ending up with a Stalemate?
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Post by Pete on Aug 3, 2012 2:26:04 GMT -5
No clue. Can I have a PP for effort?
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Post by tisonpomrt on Aug 3, 2012 2:36:55 GMT -5
=>matavious: I love how a you thought about and applied a psychological aspect into the game! Very well done. It was certainly one aspect I thought about when designing this challenge that your opponent might be thinking that he has set up the perfect trifecta defence and had no way of losing. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and solution!
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Post by kackman73 on Aug 3, 2012 2:40:28 GMT -5
Going off of Pete's RI suggestion, what about ye olde Pan/RI combo? Admittedly, it depends on the resolution of something that I'm not sure of, so I'll let you all let me know if this would work. 1) Military Intervention resolves, and I draw a Pantheon. 2) I actually allow his two attackers to score in that region, because; 3) I'm playing Pantheon in the left region, setting his score to zero. 4) My gold at this point: ~10; income = 17. 5) I wait until after the half day passes, then I play The Discovery.*** 6) The day passes, my income is now 18 and my gold will soon be 18. 7) The final card is Royal Intervention. 8) The discovery resolves, but I have no card to draw.*** 9) I discard JJ, although I don't really care (it gives me 1 in each region). 10) My income is now 20, my gold will be 20 in a few seconds. 11) I play Royal Intervention on the left region, giving me 10 in that region and the win, about 1/4 day before a stalemate would happen. ***This is the part I'm unsure of - I know that if a day passes and neither of us has a card, it's a stalemate. What happens if I play a card that requires me to draw a card but I don't have one to draw? Nothing? I lose? Maybe NOOS? Assuming that I can play a "draw a card" card with no cards left in my hand and not lose, I think that should work. Total gold spent: 26 (5+1+20) Total time: 1.5 days, roughly Cards played: 3 Edit: I'm going to try to test this against the AI if I can. Play against an all agent deck, get three Roma Vaticanos down then wait until I'm at zero cards then play The Discovery to see what happens. Wish me luck.
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Post by Pete on Aug 3, 2012 4:06:08 GMT -5
I'm crying now.
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 3, 2012 9:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 3, 2012 9:21:17 GMT -5
3) I'm playing Pantheon in the left region, setting his score to zero. Pantheon sets only your score to zero - not your opponent's.
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 3, 2012 10:36:29 GMT -5
***This is the part I'm unsure of - I know that if a day passes and neither of us has a card, it's a stalemate. What happens if I play a card that requires me to draw a card but I don't have one to draw? Nothing? I lose? Maybe NOOS? I think nothing happens here. I remember a post before that said if both of you have no cards left in the deck, the game will still go on until the card-draw phase where the game checks the number of your cards in your Sequence and produces a Stalemate if both players are out of cards.
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Post by Educatedcollins on Aug 3, 2012 10:46:23 GMT -5
Going off of Pete's RI suggestion, what about ye olde Pan/RI combo? Admittedly, it depends on the resolution of something that I'm not sure of, so I'll let you all let me know if this would work. 1) Military Intervention resolves, and I draw a Pantheon. 2) I actually allow his two attackers to score in that region, because; 3) I'm playing Pantheon in the left region, setting his score to zero. 4) My gold at this point: ~10; income = 17. 5) I wait until after the half day passes, then I play The Discovery.*** 6) The day passes, my income is now 18 and my gold will soon be 18. 7) The final card is Royal Intervention. 8) The discovery resolves, but I have no card to draw.*** 9) I discard JJ, although I don't really care (it gives me 1 in each region). 10) My income is now 20, my gold will be 20 in a few seconds. 11) I play Royal Intervention on the left region, giving me 10 in that region and the win, about 1/4 day before a stalemate would happen. ***This is the part I'm unsure of - I know that if a day passes and neither of us has a card, it's a stalemate. What happens if I play a card that requires me to draw a card but I don't have one to draw? Nothing? I lose? Maybe NOOS? Assuming that I can play a "draw a card" card with no cards left in my hand and not lose, I think that should work. Total gold spent: 26 (5+1+20) Total time: 1.5 days, roughly Cards played: 3 Edit: I'm going to try to test this against the AI if I can. Play against an all agent deck, get three Roma Vaticanos down then wait until I'm at zero cards then play The Discovery to see what happens. Wish me luck. I've been hit by this before in matches. it happens so fast so unless you got a counter its over.
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Post by kackman73 on Aug 3, 2012 11:53:23 GMT -5
Addendum to my post. 1) I'm an idiot, because I'm taking too long to win and because I called Militia Intimidation "Military Intervention" (and because I misread Pantheon as well ). 2) I tested, and you can safely play The Discovery when you have no cards to draw. You can also play Tactical Upheaval, so I feel comfortable saying that you can try to draw cards when you have none and not lose. 3) I'm an idiot a 2nd time for trying to test the hard way w/Roma Vaticano. The combo the opponent in the riddle is using is much easier. 4) Finally, you can win this even if the whole "JJ/RI scoring more w/defender than they probably should" thing is a bug. New steps: 1) Militia Intimidation resolves, and I draw a Pantheon. 2) I play Pantheon in the right region (cost 5; scores: him - 10/0/0; me - 0/6/0) 3) I actually allow his two attackers to score in that region, because; 3) I need him to (in case the aforementioned potential bug is a bug). 4) My gold at this point: ~10; income = 17. 5) I wait until after the half day passes, then I play The Discovery.*** (cost 1) 6) The day passes, my income is now 18 and my gold will soon be 18. 7) The final card is Royal Intervention. 8) The discovery resolves, but I have no card to draw.*** 9) I discard JJ and it gives me 1 in the left and right regions, but nothing in the middle. (his scores: 10/0/9; mine: 0/6/1) 10) My income is now 20, but as soon as my gold hits 18 I play RI on the right region (cost 18). Since his score in that region is 9, my RI can score 9. 11) If he attacks the right region with anything, I wait until the last possible moment to block those things. 12) If he doesn't attack the right region with anything, I attack with both Cesares right before his Altair, Learned is available to make sure that he can't attack with it. ***This works now. Please see above. Total cost: 24 Cards played: 3 Time passed: less than 1.5 days Edit: I do see a possible flaw with my plan in that if he allows one Cesare to score (taking him down to 4 in that region), my RI won't score enough to win (assuming the aforementioned bug). However... If I operate on the assumption that he wants to win, he's going to want to block my Cesares right away because if he waits until after the day passes then he won't have enough time to win with his Altair after the blocked Cesares are resolved. I'd be playing my Cesares before the day passes because his Altair will be available about then. So... Flaw resolved?
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Post by coglongshot on Aug 3, 2012 12:46:06 GMT -5
Here's how I would solved it.
1)wait for mi to resolve 2)I draw a incite revolt. Play it's the second I draw it 3)play discovery 4) block Cyril with ottoman gunman 5)wait till I have the gold to play ottoman janissary 6) play janissary and kill the site on centre region 7)discovery draw me a laboratory research (discovery destroys janissary justice) 8)play it (it draw me a wrath of righteousness and habour of theodosius )( discard the second card in your hand in the picture, i don't know what the card is) ( u get wraith from incite revolt) 9)play habour in centre region and then wrath of righteousness 10)put the two ceasre in left and janissary in centre 11) win Not as good as coolkendude but it's how I would of done it. Do I get bonuse for the most technical way
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 3, 2012 13:08:01 GMT -5
kackman - I think the steps are fine but the problem you'll face here is that once the day starts (card-draw phase), you'll end in a stalemate since both of you have no cards left in play. You can only go over the card-draw phase in this situation if you played Incite Revolt, otherwise, you'll have to win before the card-draw phase.
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