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Post by coolkendude on Aug 28, 2012 12:54:22 GMT -5
Rodrigo: Recover and Regain gold *2 faster Oh, right - I forgot about Rodrigo's gold recovery ability. I forgot to mention that my theory was only for 10-cost Agent cards, not all 10-cost cards. But yeah, Rodrigo's gold recovery is something I missed.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 28, 2012 15:08:09 GMT -5
The Stronghold is definitely a bug. We will correct it in the next update. The intent is to neutralize Sites that are resting after using an ability (like Abbazia di San Mercuriale or Academy of Physic). Only resting sites? There are around 7 or so sites in the game that have a special ability that forces a cool-down. Of these 7, 3 or 4 have a surprise ability so they can not be neutralized by AS. I.e. if you play AS after I have used Abbazia's special ability AS resolves after Abbazia is cooled off already. You must be a complete idiot to use Abbazia's effect while AS is resolving... So I would say it is a rather useless effect as the few cards sites that can be affected are hardly dangerous (like Academy of Physic).
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Post by coolkendude on Aug 28, 2012 15:54:09 GMT -5
The Stronghold is definitely a bug. We will correct it in the next update. The intent is to neutralize Sites that are resting after using an ability (like Abbazia di San Mercuriale or Academy of Physic). Only resting sites? There are around 7 or so sites in the game that have a special ability that forces a cool-down. Of these 7, 3 or 4 have a surprise ability so they can not be neutralized by AS. I.e. if you play AS after I have used Abbazia's special ability AS resolves after Abbazia is cooled off already. You must be a complete idiot to use Abbazia's effect while AS is resolving... So I would say it is a rather useless effect as the few cards sites that can be affected are hardly dangerous (like Academy of Physic). Well, I view it (killing resting sites) as a bonus really because Stronghold was originally meant to kill Agents, which it still does. And frankly, I don't know why they added the ability (kill resting Sites) to Stronghold in the first place.
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Post by smoochy on Aug 28, 2012 16:45:44 GMT -5
Hello everyboy id like to start by saying great job with this forum, i just found it and i love it. Im a huge fan of ACR, ive been playing it for like 1 year and just now im looking for a community to discuss about this great game and i think i just did . Since the new update ive been having some troubles getting a game going and since they change a lot of cards and most of my decks got wrecked ive been trying to test new sequences but sadly i cant find enought games to do it. Since im new at this forum i dont know if this is the proper theme to post this (i apologize if not). Anyway, if someone is interested on having friendly matches to test our new or old tweaked sequences add me ( GC nickname +Smoochy+ or email meteoro556@hotmail.com) i can play pretty much all day. Once again great job with the forum
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Post by Tuism on Aug 28, 2012 17:12:33 GMT -5
While I understand the frustration of starting again, I think it was more boring to be playing the same game over and over again cos everyone was using the same stuff. I do take your point on them needing to beta better, but such is the nature of a game like this... We ARE all beta testers. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 50% of the people playing here haven't paid a cent. And if tomorrow an update comes out and it says "If you bought credits you're not allowed to download it cos it's a beta", I don't think that'd fly with anyone either. In a game of this scale, I really do think having everyone as testers is a great option of economy. That said, Deceptive rush. It sucks. Needs to be dealt with
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Post by kackman73 on Aug 28, 2012 18:19:06 GMT -5
While I understand the frustration of starting again, I think it was more boring to be playing the same game over and over again cos everyone was using the same stuff. I do take your point on them needing to beta better, but such is the nature of a game like this... We ARE all beta testers. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 50% of the people playing here haven't paid a cent. And if tomorrow an update comes out and it says "If you bought credits you're not allowed to download it cos it's a beta", I don't think that'd fly with anyone either. In a game of this scale, I really do think having everyone as testers is a great option of economy. That said, Deceptive rush. It sucks. Needs to be dealt with Papal Bull is the only way I've found to deal with it, and that requires being lucky enough to have two of those in your hand early, since they're not easily tutorable. The only other way I can think of right now to deal with it is to have a cheap crime deck with Turkish Assassins, but most deceptive rush decks that I've seen use Magnetic Personality a lot, so blocking doesn't do much good. Deceptive sites are a pain as well.
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Post by ironcladtrash on Aug 28, 2012 18:40:08 GMT -5
That said, Deceptive rush. It sucks. Needs to be dealt with Papal Bull is the only way I've found to deal with it, and that requires being lucky enough to have two of those in your hand early, since they're not easily tutorable. The only other way I can think of right now to deal with it is to have a cheap crime deck with Turkish Assassins, but most deceptive rush decks that I've seen use Magnetic Personality a lot, so blocking doesn't do much good. Deceptive sites are a pain as well. That's the one deck I have that got almost zero nerf. Making PP cost 1 does slow it down a little but that doesn't really matter since everything else got changed. Maybe they'll end up making the deceptive agents and sites cost more. Using deceptive was about the only way to make a rush deck before the recent update, now it's overkill.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 29, 2012 1:08:55 GMT -5
That said, Deceptive rush. It sucks. Needs to be dealt with You didn't like our game yesterday? I have made only one change on the deceptive rush deck after the update: Dama Rosa replaces Tactical Upheaval. I think this deck is more powerful now than before the nerf as most other decks got slower, and this one is hardly affected.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 29, 2012 2:08:40 GMT -5
That said, Deceptive rush. It sucks. Needs to be dealt with You didn't like our game yesterday? I have made only one change on the deceptive rush deck after the update: Dama Rosa replaces Tactical Upheaval. I think this deck is more powerful now than before the nerf as most other decks got slower, and this one is hardly affected. No I didn't like it But afterwards I went over the game in my head and think I played badly too. So I might have been able to win. Regardless, it's REALLY fast. Especially now. Let's see how the dust settles
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Post by demkon on Aug 29, 2012 2:08:51 GMT -5
No one likes matches like this Rob.
Deceptive rushes are stupidly overpowered and will define the new meta almost alone as long as the devs don't deal with it. I have such a deck too and I didn't have to change a single card. It just blows away most other decks and it doesn't even include PP.
Imho deceptive agents (and sites) are way to cheap. Just consider that they benefit twice from buffs like Advanced Training or Magnetic Personality. That's a huge problem.
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Post by Rob (Roebidoebi) on Aug 29, 2012 5:37:06 GMT -5
LOL. I'm afraid it our duty to play exploits (if you want to call them such) as much as possible, so people start complaining. It's the only way we can keep this game balanced. Otherwise we would still all be playing with a +1 income Preemptive Strike at 6 gold But seriously, I agree on deceptive being too cheap (literally speaking). The Street Thespian is effectively a 2/1 agent like Ducio de Lucca, but for 1 gold instead of 2. And Darim is effectively a 4/2 agent at 3 gold where you have to pay 5 gold for a Militia Horseman. Again it is a balance between risk/reward and costs, which is slightly skewed in this case.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 29, 2012 5:47:52 GMT -5
well right now I've run into a couple of really strong combinations - deceptive is one, damn crime with Ezio and Strongholds is another (if it survives that long), then Femme Fatale is making a heck of a comeback... OMG. I suspect rush isn't dead (even not deceptive). Let's see how it pans out
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Post by mrsuperb on Aug 29, 2012 6:17:26 GMT -5
I feel a bit disappointed they changed cards from the previous expansion. Shouldn't have changed those. Scientific espionage is now 6 and preemptive strike 8, pontificial high mass 6, PP 1, ...
It's a challenge to find new strategies, and that's cool, but this update has taken a lof of fun out of this game imo.
I also tried to start several casual games but never found an opponent. Are you all playing competitive?
About Stronghold, doesn't it erase the resting agents and all the opponent sites? (not just 'resting' sites?) EDIT: bug, right....
EDIT: next time I'll read the entire thread before posting...
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Post by demkon on Aug 29, 2012 9:35:33 GMT -5
But seriously, I agree on deceptive being too cheap (literally speaking). The Street Thespian is effectively a 2/1 agent like Ducio de Lucca, but for 1 gold instead of 2. And Darim is effectively a 4/2 agent at 3 gold where you have to pay 5 gold for a Militia Horseman. Again it is a balance between risk/reward and costs, which is slightly skewed in this case. It's even worse because you have to consider the buff cards, wich make the deceptive rushes so strong. If a 2/1 agent like Ducio gets an Advanced Training, he is 4/1 and would need 6 turns to achieve 10 points in 2 areas. However if Street Thespian gets an Advanced Training, he is effectively a 6/1 agent and needs only 4 turns to achieve 10 points in 2 areas. Now put 1 or 2 MPs on top and the power difference between those two agents becomes really huge.
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Post by Tuism on Aug 29, 2012 9:44:41 GMT -5
Of the very few matches I've been able to play (bad connection) today, most of them came down to who can draw the most Darims and Magnetic Personalities...
Not that the agents are indestructible - a prepared deck can easily shoot down the deceptive with removal or damage or something, but we're back to rock-paper-scissors...?
Too early to say, let's see if there's anything else.
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