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Post by crazygambit on Jan 11, 2012 14:52:33 GMT -5
Rush is pretty strong, but the cards u need are expensive, while the key cards for blue are easy to fetch and not needed 5 times in decks. SO the most rush decks are not build effectivly because of limited card pools This could be true. The only card that's absolutely necessary in 5x here is Lanz, which is Templar so I don't think this deck is that expensive. Of course if you haven't gotten Lanz then it's hopeless. |
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 13, 2012 14:06:10 GMT -5
Easier to get 5 Lanz then to get 5 Ezio, Assassin.  |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 13, 2012 20:10:33 GMT -5
We, my 9 Ezio, my single Lanz and myself, are not so sure about that.  |
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Post by Baracus on Jan 14, 2012 19:38:36 GMT -5
I tired to build this deck and got it close with what I have available, but have a (generic) question about Dante protecting Lanz. When he makes him 'safe' do you have to do that each time Lanz goes back to HQ or is it a permanent effect? And I assume it's correct behaviour that Under Arrest still kills Lanz off even if he is safe? I was surprised when that happened to him with 1 round I played!  It's the first time I've played a competitive agent focused sequence and it's a lot of fun but I feel like I have a lot to learn still  |
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Post by Ringel on Jan 14, 2012 20:30:50 GMT -5
Under Arrest says "Erase" which I'm guessing is stronger than the typical "Neutralize".
Safe stays on him until he takes damage/is neutralized.
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Post by Hurdler on Jan 14, 2012 20:48:21 GMT -5
Under Arrest says "Erase" which I'm guessing is stronger than the typical "Neutralize". Erase means the memory will go in the deleted memories instead of the archive (not sure if I use the official names for those lists of memories). Since there are memories that allows you the browse the archive, you will not see there the memories erased by Under Arrest. And yes, Safe doesn't work with Erase. But I'm wondering if it is what the design wanted or if it's more a bug. |
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 14, 2012 21:19:25 GMT -5
We, my 9 Ezio, my single Lanz and myself, are not so sure about that. Well, let's set a deal - trade you my 4 extra Lanz for your 4 Ezios. |
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Post by Raphael Majere on Jan 14, 2012 21:21:44 GMT -5
Under Arrest says "Erase" which I'm guessing is stronger than the typical "Neutralize". Erase means the memory will go in the deleted memories instead of the archive (not sure if I use the official names for those lists of memories). Since there are memories that allows you the browse the archive, you will not see there the memories erased by Under Arrest. And yes, Safe doesn't work with Erase. But I'm wondering if it is what the design wanted or if it's more a bug. I actually like 'erase'. It's like 'remove from game in MtG' (What's the correct term now?) It adds layers and depth to the game. It's good (and needed). Esp, for cards like Ancestral Discov. To prevent 'recycling'. The game is well-designed. |
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Post by Brontobeuf on Jan 14, 2012 22:07:00 GMT -5
It's working as intended and explained in the help section of the game.
Safe doesn't protct you against erase effects.
You will have to give him safe each time he takes damage or avoid death due to the safe effect. Even a single -1 hp remove safe.
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Post by crazygambit on Jan 16, 2012 8:59:18 GMT -5
It's working as intended and explained in the help section of the game. Safe doesn't protct you against erase effects. You will have to give him safe each time he takes damage or avoid death due to the safe effect. Even a single -1 hp remove safe. Indeed it doesn't. It's the only way to get rid of Sylvio. That you have to give him safe again every time he's block is what makes the Dante/Lanz deck weak IMO. I also think it's a bug since Lanz has threat and shouldn't be getting damaged when blocked by regular agents. The other way to play it would be to just cast safe when you need it, since it's a surprise. But then it would be better to be holding a counter in your hand anyways. Also it won't protect you from surprises like Sudden Exhaustion + Tactical Upheaval if he plays them right after the other. I mantain that the more focused Lanz without Dante is stronger and a lot faster. |
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Post by madstryfe on Mar 10, 2012 2:05:09 GMT -5
Are people still actively using this build? I mean I tried it for the first time today after piecemealing it together with some Ugos. I know there's a bunch of different variations but are people still running the baseline or is it conisdered "cheesy"?
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Post by Tuism on Mar 10, 2012 17:31:39 GMT -5
It's a lot harder to setup this now but it's still doable. Meaning not broken. If you're looking for broken this probably won't do as well as it used to. I have a few builds based on this, but not entirely the same. Lanz can still be relied upon to kill lots of agents because they have to be blocked unless they're gotten rid of. If not, well then they'll kick some ass.
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Post by ABXantos on Mar 11, 2012 0:13:02 GMT -5
Well I managed to build the exact same deck -1 Cesare thanks to grinding the entire story mode and and an old $10 dollar iTunes gift card I never used! xD
I decided to switch out Forced Inheritance with Tactical Upheaval to have a secondary draw engine. So I may not be able to get the fast gold but I also don't lose my hand too early in the game if all I drew was 3 FI and no Callings or Orders and left with no advantage.
For my lack of a third Caez I subbed him with Charles to take advantage of my Teodors if I'm not using them to block the enemy with his +1/+1 for every Noble in play.
Got to say that this deck require fast and smart play even though its simple and straight forward. One slight mistake and it ruins everything.
Only weakness this deck seems to have is if it gets out rushed with a Media Militia Spam and blocks all your Lanz. If you see a Carnival being played take it out as fast as you can or you will lose.
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Post by Tuism on Mar 11, 2012 1:54:29 GMT -5
Tactical is great for any agent decks with Dante, the trick to bring back full power after sudden exhaust AND killing walls with card advantage is invaluable sometimes |
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Post by madstryfe on Mar 11, 2012 8:15:05 GMT -5
Is more than 3 Cesares in this deck overkill?
And btw I still only have 2 Lanz' but now 4 Cesares as I pulled 2 from yesterday's Daily 500, hence the above question. Lanz' or any crime cards seem like they are few and far between for the Daily 500, for me anyways.
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